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And welcome to our town hall with

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Joe Biden. Mr. Vice President,

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welcome to you.

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Good to be with you.

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We're here with a group of
Pennsylvania

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voters, you can see they're all
appropriately

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socially distanced tonight.

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And they're a group of some are

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voting for you.

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Some have said they're voting for

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President Trump. Some are still

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undecided. And we're going to try to

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take questions from as many of them

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as we can tonight.

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And we're going to start with

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Nicholas Fed, and he's from

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Jenkintown, Pennsylvania. That's

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close to you here in Philadelphia.

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I know it well.

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You're a

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Democrat.

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I am a Democrat.

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Thank you, George.

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Mr. Vice President,

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every day my wife and

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I are in disbelief at the lack of

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coordinated federal action

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on covid-19.

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We know that your administration

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would follow the science.

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My question for you, it's two

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parts.

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First, looking backwards to when

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this country first became aware

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of covid-19,

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what would following the science

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have meant in terms of

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actual policy?

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And then looking

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forward, what would

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your administration do

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in terms of following the science

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with real concrete policies

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that haven't been done by the

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current administration?

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Well, first of all, going back, the

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fact is that the president

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was informed how dangerous

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this virus was.

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And all the way back at

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the beginning of February, I argued

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that we should be keeping people in

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China. And we had set up in our

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administration a pandemic office

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within the White House.

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There were forty four people on the

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ground. And

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I didn't hold public office.

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I was a former vice president.

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I suggested we, in

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fact, ask to have access to

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the source of the problem

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and the best of our knowledge.

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Trump never pushed that all those

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forty four people came home, never

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got replaced.

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In addition to that, I pointed out

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that I thought in February I

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did a piece for USA Today saying

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this is a serious problem.

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Trump denied it.

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He said it wasn't.

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We later learned that he knew full

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well how serious it was when he did

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an interview with George Woodward.

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I mean, excuse me, Bob Woodward.

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And at the time

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he said he didn't tell anybody

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because he was afraid Americans

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would panic.

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Americans don't panic.

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He panicked.

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He didn't say a word to anybody.

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Then I wrote a piece in March about

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what I thought we should be doing to

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take hold of this using

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the the, there's an act

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passed a long time ago that allows

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the president to go into a business

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and say, stop making this and start

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making that.

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And it took a long time for him to

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even institute that, to get

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ventilators and so on.

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And so the point was he missed

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enormous opportunities and kept

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saying things that weren't true.

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It's going to go away by Easter.

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Don't worry about it.

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It's going to all when the heat,

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when the summer comes, it's all

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going to go away like a miracle.

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He's still saying those things.

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Before you go to the future, can I

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follow up? And looking backward,

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just a little bit. You did have an

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op ed in January where you warned to

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the seriousness of the pandemic, but

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there's no record of you calling for

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social distancing,

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limited social gatherings,

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mandatory.

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Not back then.

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In January, February.

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January, February. No, that's

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correct. There wasn't. That came at

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the end in March. And then I laid

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out a detailed plan relative to

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school openings in June

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and July.

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But by that time, the science was

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becoming clear and clear of

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how this was spreading so rapidly.

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But the president kept denying

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that. If you notice from March

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on, I stopped doing big

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meetings, I started wearing mask,

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you know, so it was at a time when

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the science was saying and his key

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people, Dr. Fauci, were saying you

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should be taking these precautions.

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So what we should be doing now,

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there should be a national

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standard instead of leaving this up.

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Remember what the president said to

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the governors. "Well, they're on

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their own. It's not my

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responsibility. The governors can do

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what they need to do, not my

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responsibility." It is a

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presidential responsibility to lead

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and he didn't do that.

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He didn't talk about what needed to

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be done because he kept

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worrying, in my view, about the

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stock market.

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He worried if he talked about how

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bad this could be, unless we took

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these precautionary

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actions, then in fact, the

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market would go down.

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And his barometer of success,

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the economy, is the market.

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Thirdly, what we didn't do is the

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president had an opportunity

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to open and

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allow schools and businesses to stay

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open if they got the kind

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of help they needed.

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So the Congress passed a couple

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of trillion dollars worth of help.

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And what happened was most of that

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money, a significant portion of that

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money, went to the very wealthiest

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corporations in the country,

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didn't get to the mom and pop

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stores. So you had one in five, one

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in six minority businesses

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closing, many of them permanently,

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people be laid off.

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And then what happened was when the

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first tranche, the first round

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of money for

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unemployment, enhanced unemployment

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went went by,

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he didn't do anything.

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He didn't do anything.

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And to the best of my knowledge, I

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mean this sincerely, I can't think

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I've been around for a lot of

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presidents and, you know, a lot of

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presidents. And the crisis, I don't

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ever remember one never calling the

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House and Senate Republicans or

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Democrats together.

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Let's let's look forward a little

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bit. You said that you would lock

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down the economy only if the

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scientists said it was necessary,.

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By the way, that wasn't the context.

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I said what I lock down the

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economy of science said.

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So I said I'd follow science.

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What I but I don't think there's a

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need to lock down.

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But I want to press you on that

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point. You've been in the Oval

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Office for eight years with

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President Obama. He would always say

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that only the only the hard to solve

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problems hit his desk.

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What is most likely to happen is the

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scientists will disagree.

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The scientists will disagree with

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the economists. So the question is,

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how are you going to decide this?

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Who are you going to listen to?

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And how can you contain the pandemic

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without crushing the economy?

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Well, you can contain the pandemic

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by being rational and not crush the

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economy. For example, I laid out a

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plan how you can open businesses.

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You can open businesses and schools

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if, in fact, you provide them the

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guidance that they need as well as

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the money to be able to do it.

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What's happening now is we know, for

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example, if you can open a business

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and you could have a sign on the

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door saying safe to come in, that's

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why people aren't going anyway when

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they when they're open.

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And say because you have social

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distancing, you have plastic

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barriers. When you go to the

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cashier, you have separators between

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the booths. You don't have large

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crowds. You reduce the size, the

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number of people you can have in the

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restaurant. You make sure there's

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testing. That's a really critical

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piece that he didn't do, testing

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and tracing.

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And you make sure that people are

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equipped going to

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schools. You know, we initially

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said, the government initially said

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they're going to provide mask for

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every student and every teacher.

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Then they said, no, no, no,

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no. FEMA said that,

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the president or whomever said,

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no, no, that's not a national

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emergency, not a national emergency.

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We need fewer we need more teachers

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in our schools to be able to open

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smaller pods.

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We need ventilation systems

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changed. There's a lot of things we

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know now.

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And I've laid them out in

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some detail. Now, again, when I say

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I laid them out, I'm not an office

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holder, I'm running for office.

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It's not like I'm still vice

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president or I was a United States

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Senator pushing this.

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So I don't want to say I, I, I.

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But we did lay out exactly

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what needed to be done and take

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a look. We make up four percent

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of the world's population.

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We have twenty percent of the

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world's deaths.

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We're in a situation where we have

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two hundred and ten plus thousand

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people dead.

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And what's he doing?

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Nothing. He's still not wearing

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masks and so on.

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We're getting some other questions

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on covid. The next one comes from

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Kelly Lee.

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She's from Philadelphia.

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Thank you.

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Republican

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voted for Donald Trump in twenty

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sixteen, undecided now.

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I did.

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Hey, Kelly, how are you?

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Hi, Mr. Biden.

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My question is about the coronavirus

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vaccine, or potential.

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Senator Harris stated that she

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absolutely would not take

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a vaccine from President Trump.

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And, of course, we all know it's not

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President Trump that would create

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this vaccine.

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It would be doctors and scientists

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that presumably we all trust.

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So my question for you

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is, if a vaccine were approved

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by between now and the end of the

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year, would you take

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it? And if you were to become

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president, would you mandate that

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everyone has to take it?

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Two things.

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Number one,

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President Trump talks

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about things that just aren't

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accurate, about everything from

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vaccines, we're going to have one
right

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away is going to happen and so on.

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The point is that if the scientists,

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if the body of scientists say

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that this is what is ready to be

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done and it's been

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tested, they've gone through the
three

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phases, yes, I would take it and I'd

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encourage people to take it.

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But President Trump says things

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like, you know, everything from his

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crazy stuff he's walking away from

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now, inject bleach in your arm.

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And that's going to work on not

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being a bit. I'm not being

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facetious. He actually said these

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things and now Regeneron

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is the answer, that's going to cure

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everything. There's five hundred

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thousand doses.

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We've got a couple, you know, we

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have more than a few million people,

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you know, and so and most

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if you notice, most of the

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companies who are developing these

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vaccines are

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working. They're making real

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progress. I meet with four

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leading scientists at least

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twice a week in the beginning, four

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times a week, giving us the detail

19:10:47:11 19:10:49:06
what kind of progress is being made.

19:10:49:10 19:10:51:07
And right now, they do the right

19:10:51:13 19:10:52:17
thing. When they run into a serious

19:10:53:01 19:10:54:06
problem, they halt the test.

19:10:54:07 19:10:55:12
They don't continue until they

19:10:55:13 19:10:56:23
figure out what the problem was.

19:10:56:24 19:10:58:00
They're not there yet.

19:10:58:02 19:10:59:19
And most scientists say that's not

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likely to have a vaccine that would

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be available until the

19:11:03:08 19:11:05:09
beginning of next year into

19:11:05:19 19:11:07:06
the spring of next year.

19:11:07:07 19:11:08:23
And in the meantime, what I worry

19:11:09:03 19:11:10:11
about is the same thing with

19:11:11:00 19:11:12:08
Regeneron, which is which is a

19:11:12:09 19:11:13:08
useful antidote,

19:11:14:04 19:11:15:14
not an antidote, a useful

19:11:16:15 19:11:18:15
tool. But what's happening

19:11:18:16 19:11:19:17
is there is no plan to

19:11:20:12 19:11:22:14
figure out how to distribute

19:11:22:19 19:11:24:08
it. How many, you know, we have five

19:11:24:09 19:11:26:01
hundred thousand, you know,

19:11:26:19 19:11:27:20
vials of it.

19:11:28:06 19:11:29:21
Well, we don't have all the testing

19:11:30:08 19:11:32:01
equipment. We don't have all the to

19:11:32:12 19:11:34:06
get it to the people who need it and

19:11:34:10 19:11:35:16
what we should be doing now.

19:11:35:17 19:11:37:00
And allegedly it's happening, but

19:11:37:01 19:11:38:17
I've not seen it yet, nor the docs

19:11:38:18 19:11:40:09
that I've talked to say that there

19:11:40:10 19:11:42:00
should be a plan when we have the

19:11:42:15 19:11:43:23
vaccine, how do we distribute it?

19:11:43:24 19:11:45:13
And once we get it, if it's safe,

19:11:45:15 19:11:47:05
it's if it's effective, will you

19:11:47:08 19:11:48:16
mandate its use?

19:11:49:05 19:11:50:08
The answer is depending

19:11:51:05 19:11:53:04
on how clear

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there's vaccines they say

19:11:55:21 19:11:57:20
have a very positive

19:11:58:09 19:11:59:05
impact. And there you're going to

19:11:59:06 19:12:00:05
affect positively.

19:12:00:10 19:12:01:23
Eighty five percent of the American

19:12:01:25 19:12:03:14
public are those others say this

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vaccine is really the

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key. This is this is this is the

19:12:07:14 19:12:08:19
golden key.

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It depends on the state

19:12:10:17 19:12:12:23
of the nature of the vaccine

19:12:12:24 19:12:14:18
when it comes out and how it's being

19:12:15:06 19:12:16:14
distributed. That would depend on.

19:12:16:15 19:12:18:03
But I would think that we should

19:12:18:15 19:12:20:03
be talking about it

19:12:20:19 19:12:22:09
depending on the continuation of the

19:12:22:10 19:12:23:09
spread of the virus.

19:12:23:15 19:12:24:23
We should be thinking about making

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demands.

19:12:25:04 19:12:26:06
How could you you enforce that?

19:12:26:24 19:12:28:06
You couldn't. That's the problem.

19:12:28:07 19:12:29:21
Just like you can't enforce

19:12:30:07 19:12:31:11
measles. You can't you can't come to

19:12:31:12 19:12:32:14
school unless you have a measles

19:12:32:22 19:12:33:22
shot. You know, you can't.

19:12:33:23 19:12:35:09
But you can't say everyone has

19:12:36:01 19:12:37:01
to do this.

19:12:37:04 19:12:38:05
But you can't mandate

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a mask.

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But you can say you can go

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to every governor and get them all

19:12:43:12 19:12:44:19
in the room, all 50 of them

19:12:45:07 19:12:46:20
as president and say ask people

19:12:47:08 19:12:48:07
to wear the mask.

19:12:48:08 19:12:49:07
Everybody know.

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And if they don't?

19:12:50:11 19:12:51:10
Then they don't.

19:12:51:15 19:12:53:03
No, not fine. Then I go to every

19:12:53:17 19:12:55:07
governor, I go to every mayor, I go

19:12:55:08 19:12:56:24
to every council and I go to every

19:12:57:00 19:12:59:08
local official, say, mandate

19:12:59:09 19:13:00:10
the mask and say, this

19:13:01:06 19:13:02:10
is what you have to do when you're

19:13:02:18 19:13:04:06
out. Make sure you encourage it

19:13:04:13 19:13:05:14
being done.

19:13:05:17 19:13:07:14
Look, George, you and I know

19:13:07:15 19:13:09:07
and I think you do too as well, the

19:13:09:12 19:13:11:11
words of a president matter.

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Absolutely.

19:13:11:20 19:13:13:13
No matter whether they're good, bad

19:13:13:14 19:13:14:22
or indifferent, they matter.

19:13:15:04 19:13:16:19
And when a president doesn't wear a

19:13:16:20 19:13:18:13
mask or makes fun of folks like

19:13:18:18 19:13:20:02
me, when I was wearing a mask for a

19:13:20:03 19:13:21:14
long time, then

19:13:22:06 19:13:24:06
people say, well, it mustn't be that

19:13:24:17 19:13:26:05
important. But when a president

19:13:26:15 19:13:27:15
says, I think this is very

19:13:28:01 19:13:29:15
important, for example, I walked in

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here with this mask, but I have one

19:13:31:09 19:13:33:01
of them. Ninety five mask underneath

19:13:33:05 19:13:34:08
it. I left it in the in

19:13:35:13 19:13:36:22
my dressing room, the dressing room,

19:13:36:24 19:13:38:08
the the room I was in before

19:13:38:22 19:13:39:22
I got here.

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And so I think it matters

19:13:42:07 19:13:43:07
what we say.

19:13:43:10 19:13:45:03
And we're now learning

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that children are  getting

19:13:47:13 19:13:49:07
the virus, not with this

19:13:49:13 19:13:51:15
as serious consequences, but

19:13:51:20 19:13:53:13
we haven't, there's been no studies

19:13:53:21 19:13:56:01
done yet on vaccines for children.

19:13:56:02 19:13:57:11
So there's a long way to go.

19:13:57:14 19:13:58:24
But we can make progress in the

19:13:59:00 19:14:00:04
meantime and save lives.

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And the last point I'll make if you

19:14:02:18 19:14:04:11
if you listen to the head of the

19:14:04:16 19:14:06:11
of the CDC, he

19:14:06:12 19:14:08:00
stood up and he said, you know,

19:14:08:06 19:14:09:17
while we're waiting for a vaccine,

19:14:09:18 19:14:10:17
he held up a mask.

19:14:11:02 19:14:12:15
You wear this mask, you'll save

19:14:13:01 19:14:14:18
more lives between now and the end

19:14:14:19 19:14:15:20
of the year than if we had a

19:14:15:21 19:14:16:20
vaccine.

19:14:17:03 19:14:18:08
And if we had a vaccine.

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It's estimated by every major

19:14:21:05 19:14:22:20
study done from the University of

19:14:22:25 19:14:24:21
Washington to Columbia that

19:14:25:01 19:14:26:13
if, in fact, we wore masks, we

19:14:27:02 19:14:28:13
could say between now and the end of

19:14:28:14 19:14:30:12
the year, a hundred thousand lives.

19:14:30:16 19:14:31:17
And avoid Lockdown's?

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And avoid lockdowns.

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Yes, you don't have to lock down if

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you're wearing the mask.

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Let's get a question on the economy.

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Anthony Argerich,.

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Thank you, I hope I answered your

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question.

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From Canonsburg, Pennsylvania.

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It's a suburb of Pittsburgh

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Republican.

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I know it.

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For President Trump.

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Thank you, George. Thank you, Mr.

19:14:46:14 19:14:47:11
Vice. President.

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You stated that anyone making

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less than four hundred thousand

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dollars will not see one single

19:14:52:02 19:14:53:22
penny of their taxes raised, but

19:14:53:23 19:14:55:08
also state that you are going to

19:14:55:09 19:14:57:05
eliminate the Trump tax cuts.

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The Trump tax cuts reduces taxes

19:15:00:00 19:15:01:15
for the majority of workers.

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I would argue not enough.

19:15:03:06 19:15:04:06
What is your plan for either

19:15:04:07 19:15:05:11
extending the tax cuts for the

19:15:05:12 19:15:07:04
middle class or creating a new plan

19:15:07:10 19:15:09:13
that further reduces those taxes?

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I carry this card with me.

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When I said the tax Trump

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tax cuts about one point three

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trillion of the two

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trillion dollars of those tax cuts

19:15:18:22 19:15:20:03
went through the top one tenth of

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one percent.

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That's what I'm talking about,

19:15:22:14 19:15:24:11
eliminating not all the tax cuts

19:15:24:17 19:15:25:19
that are out there.

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And by the way, if you just take a

19:15:27:14 19:15:28:25
look, we reduce the corporate

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tax rate from

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thirty five percent.

19:15:32:22 19:15:34:07
And Democrats, Republicans who were

19:15:35:00 19:15:36:02
in office thought it should come

19:15:36:03 19:15:37:13
down to twenty eight percent.

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He reduced it to twenty one

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percent.

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You have ninety one out of

19:15:42:19 19:15:44:12
the Fortune 500 companies not paying

19:15:44:13 19:15:46:02
a single solitary penny.

19:15:46:12 19:15:48:00
If you raise the corporate taxes

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back to twenty eight percent, which

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is a fair tax,

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you'd raise one

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trillion, three hundred

19:15:55:11 19:15:56:25
billion dollars by that one

19:15:57:09 19:15:58:04
act.

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If you made sure that people making

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over four hundred grand

19:16:01:25 19:16:03:03
paid what they did in the Bush

19:16:03:22 19:16:04:17
administration, thirty nine point

19:16:04:18 19:16:06:00
six percent you would raise

19:16:06:13 19:16:08:09
another goes up to

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get your exact number here about

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another two hundred

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ninety two billion dollars

19:16:15:15 19:16:17:18
so you could raise a lot of money

19:16:18:03 19:16:19:20
to be able to invest in things that

19:16:19:21 19:16:21:15
can make your life easier,

19:16:21:19 19:16:23:05
make you change your standard

19:16:23:16 19:16:25:02
of living by making sure you have

19:16:25:03 19:16:26:17
affordable health care, by making

19:16:26:18 19:16:28:01
sure you're in a situation where

19:16:28:05 19:16:29:11
you're able to send your kid to

19:16:29:22 19:16:30:24
school. And if you have a student

19:16:31:05 19:16:32:13
debt, you can deal with it, making

19:16:32:14 19:16:34:11
sure that your your home, you can

19:16:34:12 19:16:35:18
pay your mortgage. You get 20

19:16:35:19 19:16:37:08
million people right now.

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Let me press you on that.

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You're going to raise the corporate

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tax. You're going to raise taxes on

19:16:41:12 19:16:42:11
the wealthy.

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Is it wise to do even that

19:16:44:07 19:16:45:23
when the economy is as weak as it is

19:16:45:24 19:16:47:09
right now? Another nine hundred

19:16:47:10 19:16:48:03
thousand people?

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That's a great question.

19:16:50:13 19:16:52:08
Moody's did an analysis

19:16:52:11 19:16:53:15
of my detailed analysis

19:16:54:11 19:16:55:12
of my tax plan and my

19:16:56:10 19:16:57:10
economic plan.

19:16:57:18 19:16:59:16
They said I will in four

19:17:00:07 19:17:01:24
years, Moody's, Wall Street said I

19:17:02:03 19:17:03:10
will create eighteen point

19:17:04:06 19:17:05:17
six million new

19:17:06:07 19:17:07:09
jobs. Good paying jobs.

19:17:07:10 19:17:08:09
Number one.

19:17:08:11 19:17:09:14
Number two. And I'll increase.

19:17:09:15 19:17:11:02
The GDP will grow

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by a trillion dollars more

19:17:13:06 19:17:14:21
than would under Trump and seven

19:17:15:07 19:17:17:02
million more jobs then under

19:17:17:10 19:17:19:10
Trump. And the reason is when you

19:17:19:18 19:17:21:06
allow people to get back in the

19:17:21:15 19:17:23:02
game and have a

19:17:23:16 19:17:24:18
job, everything moves.

19:17:25:13 19:17:26:13
Everything moves.

19:17:27:01 19:17:28:15
Right now, you got the opposite.

19:17:28:16 19:17:29:23
You had last year

19:17:30:16 19:17:32:09
during this pandemic, you had

19:17:32:14 19:17:33:22
the wealthiest billionaires

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in the world, in the nation.

19:17:36:08 19:17:38:08
They made it another 700 billion

19:17:38:19 19:17:40:12
dollars, 700 billion

19:17:40:23 19:17:42:16
dollars. He talks about a V shaped

19:17:43:24 19:17:45:17
recovery. It's a K shaped recovery.

19:17:45:18 19:17:47:01
If you're on the top, you're

19:17:47:13 19:17:49:01
going to do very well.

19:17:49:02 19:17:50:14
And the other thing, and if you're

19:17:50:15 19:17:51:17
in the bottom or you're in the

19:17:51:18 19:17:53:11
middle or the bottom, your income is

19:17:53:13 19:17:54:13
coming down.

19:17:54:16 19:17:55:24
You're not getting a raise.

19:17:56:02 19:17:57:17
I should I don't know what you do.

19:17:57:18 19:17:58:12
You may get a raise.

19:17:58:13 19:17:59:22
I hope you're a billionaire.

19:18:00:03 19:18:02:04
But but but but but all kidding

19:18:02:17 19:18:04:02
aside. But it's about growing

19:18:04:21 19:18:07:04
the economy and George

19:18:07:05 19:18:08:14
the way out. The reason why I'm so

19:18:08:15 19:18:10:19
optimistic about economic recovery

19:18:11:02 19:18:12:14
more than I've ever been is we

19:18:13:00 19:18:14:17
have these four crises happening at

19:18:14:18 19:18:15:23
all at once and one helps

19:18:16:14 19:18:18:07
the other. For example, we're going

19:18:18:11 19:18:19:17
to invest a great deal of

19:18:20:07 19:18:22:12
that money into infrastructure

19:18:22:24 19:18:24:01
and to a green

19:18:24:20 19:18:25:23
infrastructure. We're going to put
five

19:18:25:24 19:18:27:13
hundred thousand charging stations

19:18:27:14 19:18:28:12
on new highways.

19:18:28:13 19:18:29:12
We're building it all highways we're
building.

19:18:30:05 19:18:31:21
We're going to own the

19:18:32:01 19:18:33:01
electric market.

19:18:33:08 19:18:34:22
You know as well as I do from your

19:18:35:09 19:18:36:21
days, you know, in the old days

19:18:37:02 19:18:39:01
where the president has spent

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about 600 billion dollars a year

19:18:40:24 19:18:42:17
on government contracts, everything

19:18:42:18 19:18:44:14
from making sure they have

19:18:44:15 19:18:46:13
aircraft carriers to

19:18:46:24 19:18:48:12
automobile fleets for them

19:18:49:01 19:18:50:09
in the United States.

19:18:50:21 19:18:52:08
If you make make

19:18:52:19 19:18:53:24
and it's not a violation

19:18:54:17 19:18:56:12
of any international trade agreement

19:18:56:17 19:18:58:06
made in America, if you actually

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insist that whatever that

19:19:00:12 19:19:01:20
product is made in America,

19:19:02:07 19:19:03:21
including the material that goes

19:19:04:04 19:19:06:03
into the product, we it's

19:19:06:05 19:19:07:08
estimated we're going to create

19:19:07:09 19:19:08:15
somewhere between another four and

19:19:08:16 19:19:10:04
six million jobs just by doing

19:19:10:12 19:19:12:06
that. But what's happening now under

19:19:12:14 19:19:14:02
his trade policy, a lot of this

19:19:14:14 19:19:15:14
is going overseas.

19:19:15:17 19:19:17:11
You get benefit from going overseas

19:19:17:21 19:19:19:23
if you have much of it being made

19:19:20:16 19:19:21:19
overseas. So if you send it

19:19:22:06 19:19:23:17
overseas, you get a 10 percent tax

19:19:23:18 19:19:25:15
increase on your on on

19:19:25:16 19:19:27:14
a product. If you make it in America

19:19:27:15 19:19:28:21
and you bring it back, you get a 10

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percent growth.

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If you bring back a company and

19:19:31:23 19:19:33:14
you're going to open up an old an

19:19:33:23 19:19:35:15
old facility, you get a 10 percent

19:19:35:24 19:19:36:24
tax credit for all you've invested.

19:19:37:25 19:19:38:25
That actually works.

19:19:39:14 19:19:40:25
So there's not going to be any delay

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on the tax increases?

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No.

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Well, I got to get the votes.

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I got to get the votes.

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That's why, you know,

19:19:48:18 19:19:50:06
the one thing that, I have this

19:19:50:08 19:19:52:07
strange notion, we are

19:19:53:02 19:19:54:16
democracy. Some of my Republican

19:19:54:25 19:19:56:09
friends and some of my Democratic

19:19:56:10 19:19:58:03
friends even occasionally say,

19:19:58:07 19:19:59:11
well, if you can't get the votes by

19:19:59:12 19:20:00:18
executive order, you're going to do

19:20:01:02 19:20:02:15
something, things you can't do by

19:20:02:16 19:20:03:18
executive order unless you're a

19:20:04:09 19:20:05:11
dictator. We're a democracy.

19:20:05:12 19:20:06:15
We need consensus.

19:20:07:02 19:20:07:25
Got to take a quick break. We'll be

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right back.

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I  hope I answered your question.

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And welcome back to our town hall

19:24:34:21 19:24:35:21
with Joe Biden. We're Getting a

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question now from Cedric Humphrey.

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He's a student from Harrisburg,

19:24:39:09 19:24:41:01
Pennsylvania, progressive Democrat.

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Don't jump, Cedric.

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You look like you're way up there.

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OK, thank you, George.

19:24:44:17 19:24:45:15
And good evening.

19:24:45:16 19:24:47:03
Former Vice President Biden.

19:24:47:09 19:24:49:01
Many people believe that the true

19:24:49:02 19:24:50:19
swing demographic and this election

19:24:50:20 19:24:52:10
will be black voters under the age

19:24:52:11 19:24:54:04
of 30, not because they'll be voting

19:24:54:11 19:24:56:02
for Trump, but because they won't

19:24:56:03 19:24:57:02
vote at all.

19:24:57:08 19:24:58:21
I myself had this exact same

19:24:59:10 19:25:00:24
conflict. So my question for you

19:25:01:00 19:25:02:19
then is, besides "You ain't

19:25:03:06 19:25:04:21
black," what do you have to say to

19:25:04:22 19:25:06:12
young black voters who see voting

19:25:06:17 19:25:08:09
for you as for their participation

19:25:08:14 19:25:10:06
in a system that continually fails

19:25:10:11 19:25:11:11
to protect them?

19:25:12:06 19:25:13:16
Well, I say, first of all, as

19:25:14:04 19:25:15:18
my buddy John Lewis said, it's a

19:25:15:19 19:25:17:05
sacred opportunity, the right to

19:25:17:06 19:25:18:12
vote. We can make a difference.

19:25:18:19 19:25:20:19
If young black women and men

19:25:21:02 19:25:22:04
vote, you can determine the outcome

19:25:22:05 19:25:23:01
of this election.

19:25:23:02 19:25:23:23
Not a joke.

19:25:23:24 19:25:24:22
You can do that.

19:25:24:23 19:25:26:11
And the next question is, am I

19:25:26:12 19:25:27:09
worthy of your vote?

19:25:27:10 19:25:28:18
Can I earn your vote?

19:25:28:19 19:25:30:13
And the answer is there's two things

19:25:30:14 19:25:32:05
I think that I care and I've

19:25:32:06 19:25:33:15
demonstrated that I care about my

19:25:33:16 19:25:34:15
whole career.

19:25:34:16 19:25:36:18
One is in addition to dealing with

19:25:37:06 19:25:38:17
the criminal justice system to make

19:25:38:18 19:25:40:18
it fair and make it more decent,

19:25:40:24 19:25:42:11
we have to be able to put black

19:25:42:12 19:25:43:15
Americans in a position to be able

19:25:43:16 19:25:45:23
to gain wealth, generate

19:25:46:10 19:25:48:05
wealth. And so you look at what

19:25:48:11 19:25:50:04
that entails. It entails everything

19:25:50:06 19:25:51:07
from early education.

19:25:51:21 19:25:53:06
That's why I'm supporting making

19:25:53:07 19:25:54:11
sure that we in title one

19:25:55:04 19:25:56:20
schools, you know, schools with the

19:25:56:21 19:25:58:11
least tax base to be able to

19:25:58:21 19:25:59:23
support their schools.

19:26:00:05 19:26:01:15
I increased the funding for them

19:26:01:16 19:26:02:24
from fifteen to

19:26:04:06 19:26:05:14
forty five billion dollars.

19:26:05:24 19:26:07:14
That allows every teacher in that

19:26:07:19 19:26:09:20
school to make up to sixty thousand

19:26:10:03 19:26:11:01
bucks. And the problem now is

19:26:11:02 19:26:11:24
they're leaving the schools, they're

19:26:12:00 19:26:13:10
not there. We're short about a

19:26:13:13 19:26:14:24
million and a half teachers, a

19:26:15:04 19:26:16:17
million and a quarter teachers.

19:26:16:18 19:26:18:00
Number two, every three and

19:26:18:15 19:26:19:22
four and five year old will go to

19:26:20:12 19:26:22:12
school, school, not day care,

19:26:22:13 19:26:23:22
school. And all the great

19:26:24:13 19:26:25:09
universities, including when you've

19:26:25:10 19:26:27:02
gone to go to or went

19:26:27:10 19:26:29:04
to, in fact, talks about in the last

19:26:29:09 19:26:30:25
eight years what's happened, what

19:26:31:08 19:26:32:18
happens when you let them go to

19:26:33:06 19:26:35:11
school. They make up rapidly,

19:26:35:14 19:26:37:10
whatever, whatever,

19:26:38:02 19:26:40:13
whatever shortcoming

19:26:40:14 19:26:42:07
they had in terms of their education

19:26:42:08 19:26:43:22
prior to that. They will have not

19:26:44:02 19:26:45:09
heard as many words spoken, et

19:26:45:17 19:26:47:03
cetera, et cetera. What happens is

19:26:47:04 19:26:48:14
that the studies show that 58

19:26:48:22 19:26:50:21
percent, they will increase by 58

19:26:51:04 19:26:52:06
percent heir chance of going all

19:26:52:07 19:26:54:02
through 12 years

19:26:54:03 19:26:55:10
of school and going through

19:26:55:11 19:26:56:11
successfully.

19:26:56:12 19:26:58:12
It will also provide for the ability

19:26:58:16 19:27:00:18
to bring in social workers and

19:27:00:23 19:27:02:03
and school psychologists.

19:27:02:04 19:27:03:16
We have one school psychologist in

19:27:03:17 19:27:05:07
America now for every fifteen

19:27:05:08 19:27:06:08
hundred and seven kids.

19:27:06:09 19:27:07:13
It should be one to five hundred,

19:27:07:14 19:27:08:16
not just in and schools

19:27:09:14 19:27:11:06
that are poor, but in all schools.

19:27:11:09 19:27:12:19
Because we learn that, for

19:27:13:05 19:27:14:16
example, drug abuse doesn't cause

19:27:14:21 19:27:16:04
mental illness. Mental illness

19:27:16:05 19:27:17:16
causes drug abuse, the failure

19:27:18:01 19:27:19:07
to get hold of people and

19:27:20:00 19:27:21:07
deal with their anxieties.

19:27:21:16 19:27:23:03
In addition to that, I provide

19:27:23:12 19:27:25:05
for a 70 billion dollars for HBCUs

19:27:25:19 19:27:27:07
use for them to be able to have

19:27:27:17 19:27:29:02
the wherewithal to do what other

19:27:29:03 19:27:30:10
universities can do because

19:27:30:22 19:27:32:02
they don't have the kind

19:27:32:25 19:27:34:17
of foundational support they need.

19:27:34:24 19:27:36:09
And so that would allow them, for

19:27:36:22 19:27:37:22
example, like we did in our

19:27:38:08 19:27:39:04
administration, the president allowed
me

19:27:39:05 19:27:40:23
to go down and we awarded

19:27:41:10 19:27:42:10
a cybersecurity

19:27:43:08 19:27:44:20
laboratory ability, to compete

19:27:45:10 19:27:46:12
for cybersecurity

19:27:47:05 19:27:48:05
laboratory. The federal government
spends

19:27:48:06 19:27:49:16
billions of dollars a year on

19:27:50:02 19:27:51:13
universities. Because they're the

19:27:51:14 19:27:53:02
best kept secret of where most of

19:27:53:03 19:27:54:22
the major inventions come out of.

19:27:55:06 19:27:56:08
And so that school now

19:27:57:04 19:27:58:15
will be able to produce young black

19:27:58:16 19:27:59:18
women and men who are going to go

19:27:59:19 19:28:01:02
into a field of the future that's

19:28:01:03 19:28:02:09
burgeoning, cybersecurity.

19:28:03:03 19:28:04:10
And that's what what is going to

19:28:04:11 19:28:05:10
help a great deal.

19:28:05:18 19:28:07:07
In addition to that, if you're a

19:28:07:12 19:28:09:05
young man about to graduate and you

19:28:09:06 19:28:10:21
graduated from school and you want

19:28:11:05 19:28:12:21
on your first home,

19:28:13:09 19:28:14:11
well, it's awful hard to get the

19:28:14:19 19:28:16:12
money, depending on the background,

19:28:16:13 19:28:18:06
what's your what's your

19:28:18:18 19:28:19:24
your your excuse me, your

19:28:20:17 19:28:22:03
economic background is, to get

19:28:22:15 19:28:23:19
a down payment. So we're going to

19:28:23:20 19:28:25:18
guarantee first time homebuyers a

19:28:25:20 19:28:27:04
fifteen thousand dollar down

19:28:27:16 19:28:29:01
payment for first time

19:28:29:16 19:28:31:12
homebuyers. In addition to that,

19:28:31:20 19:28:33:04
what all the studies now show, and

19:28:33:05 19:28:34:07
I've been arguing this for a long

19:28:34:17 19:28:36:08
time, is young black entrepreneurs

19:28:36:15 19:28:37:23
are just as successful as white

19:28:37:24 19:28:39:06
entrepreneurs or anyone else, given

19:28:39:10 19:28:40:05
a shot.

19:28:40:06 19:28:41:14
But you can't get the money.

19:28:41:15 19:28:43:08
Where do you go to get the startup

19:28:43:17 19:28:45:12
money? So what President Obama and I

19:28:45:19 19:28:46:18
did, we had a program.

19:28:46:19 19:28:48:06
We took a billion, five hundred

19:28:48:16 19:28:50:06
million dollars, and we invested

19:28:50:24 19:28:53:04
in all the SBAs around the country

19:28:53:05 19:28:54:20
in the state SBAs, small business

19:28:54:21 19:28:56:20
associations, and that generated

19:28:56:21 19:28:58:10
30 billion dollars, came off the

19:28:58:23 19:28:59:21
sideline. Because if you have a

19:28:59:22 19:29:01:01
guarantee of two hundred

19:29:01:18 19:29:03:04
thousand dollars for your new

19:29:03:22 19:29:05:05
startup enterprise, a young

19:29:05:22 19:29:06:18
entrepreneur, you're going to be

19:29:06:19 19:29:08:03
able to attract, if it's government

19:29:08:04 19:29:09:08
money is a guarantee, you'll be able

19:29:09:09 19:29:11:06
to attract another hundred thousand

19:29:11:17 19:29:12:21
dollars. It generated 30

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billion dollars.

19:29:15:11 19:29:17:02
Well, I'm changing that program and

19:29:17:03 19:29:19:08
I'll get this done without much

19:29:19:17 19:29:20:18
trouble, I believe in the Congress

19:29:20:22 19:29:21:22
from

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one point five billion dollars to

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30 billion dollars.

19:29:28:09 19:29:29:15
That'll take three hundred billion

19:29:29:16 19:29:31:04
dollars off the sideline and grow.

19:29:31:10 19:29:33:03
Because, you know, and for example,

19:29:33:07 19:29:35:03
if you in fact and

19:29:35:10 19:29:37:01
I were the same age and we split our

19:29:37:02 19:29:38:15
differences and we're the same age

19:29:38:24 19:29:40:11
and we went to the same builder to

19:29:40:12 19:29:41:23
buy us each the same home, but

19:29:42:11 19:29:44:09
my home was in a white neighborhood

19:29:44:15 19:29:46:12
on one side of a highway and yours

19:29:46:13 19:29:48:03
in a black neighborhood, same exact

19:29:48:10 19:29:49:22
home. Your home will start off

19:29:50:09 19:29:51:07
being valued.

19:29:51:08 19:29:53:05
Twenty nine percent less than my

19:29:53:12 19:29:55:10
home. Yet your insurance for that

19:29:55:11 19:29:56:19
home will be higher.

19:29:56:20 19:29:58:04
You'll be taxed more for it.

19:29:58:07 19:29:59:06
We've got to end this.

19:29:59:07 19:30:00:06
That's what got me involved in

19:30:00:07 19:30:01:10
politics in the first place.

19:30:01:11 19:30:02:13
Thing called redlining.

19:30:02:21 19:30:04:21
We can change so much

19:30:05:05 19:30:06:24
that we can do so much to change the

19:30:07:22 19:30:09:06
circumstances, to give people a real

19:30:09:07 19:30:09:23
opportunity.

19:30:09:24 19:30:10:22
Cedric, did you hear what you needed
to hear?

19:30:10:23 19:30:11:02
I think so.

19:30:11:03 19:30:12:15
Well there's a lot more if you want
to hang around afterwards I'll tell

19:30:12:16 19:30:14:03
you more. But I really mean it, it's
the key. Look, this is the way every

19:30:14:04 19:30:15:16
other, how do most, I mean my dad, he
lost his job up in Scranton and it

19:30:15:17 19:30:17:03
took him three years to move to
Claymont, Delaware, a little steel
town

19:30:17:04 19:30:18:17
and send us off to our grandpop to
live with him. We finally got back.
We

19:30:18:18 19:30:20:03
lived in apartments and it became six
and eight housing much later, it

19:30:20:04 19:30:21:15
was normal apartments. And it took
him five years to be able to buy a

19:30:21:16 19:30:23:03
home. We bought a three bedroom home
with four kids and a grandpop living

19:30:23:04 19:30:24:13
with us, but it accumulated wealth,
you build up wealth. That's how

19:30:24:14 19:30:25:24
middle class folks make it, they
build up wealth. Then he was able to

19:30:26:00 19:30:27:11
borrow a little against that to help
us get to school, those kinds of

19:30:27:12 19:30:28:23
things. It's about accumulating
wealth. And your behind the eight
ball,

19:30:28:24 19:30:30:10
the vast majority of people of color
are behind an eight ball. And it's

19:30:30:11 19:30:31:21
the same way with all that's going on
now with the money that's been

19:30:31:22 19:30:33:08
voted. What's happened? You go to the
bank if your a black busines man

19:30:33:09 19:30:34:21
and the president fired the only
inspector general that oversees all
this

19:30:34:22 19:30:36:08
help from Congress and what happens
you go in and they say, do you have

19:30:36:09 19:30:37:18
an account here? No. Do you have a
credit card here? No. Have you

19:30:37:19 19:30:39:06
borrowed from us before? No. We
bailed this suckers out. Their not
liable

19:30:39:07 19:30:40:17
for any of the money. But they still
won't lend it to you. We got to

19:30:40:18 19:30:41:15
change that, it's about accumulating
wealth.

19:30:41:16 19:30:43:00
We want to get another question in
here. A republican that voted for

19:30:43:01 19:30:43:14
President Trump last time.

19:30:43:15 19:30:44:24
Thank you George. Thank you Vice
President Biden, nice to meet you.

19:30:45:00 19:30:46:11
What's your view on the crime bill
that you wrote in 1994 that showed

19:30:46:12 19:30:47:19
prejudice against minorities. Where
do you stand today on that?

19:30:47:20 19:30:49:05
Well first of all things have changed
drastically on that. That crime

19:30:49:06 19:30:50:15
bill when it voted, the black caucus
voted for it, the black mayors

19:30:50:16 19:30:51:24
supported it across the board. The
crime bill itself did not have

19:30:52:00 19:30:53:12
mandatory sentences except for two
things. It had three strikes and your

19:30:53:13 19:30:54:23
out which I voted against in the
crime bill but it had a lot of other

19:30:54:24 19:30:56:09
things that turned out to be both bad
and good. I wrote the violence

19:30:56:10 19:30:57:20
against women act, that was part of
the assault weapons ban and other

19:30:57:21 19:30:59:07
things that were good. What I was
against was giving states more money

19:30:59:08 19:31:00:17
for prison systems that they could
build. State prison systems. And

19:31:00:18 19:31:02:04
ninety out of every 100 people are in
a state prison not in a federal

19:31:02:05 19:31:03:15
prison because they built more
prisons. I also wrote into that bill
a

19:31:03:16 19:31:05:02
thing called drug cohorts, I don't
think anyone should be going to jail

19:31:05:03 19:31:06:13
for drug use, they should be going
into mandatory rehabilitation. We

19:31:06:14 19:31:08:00
should be building rehab centers to
have these people housed. We should

19:31:08:01 19:31:09:12
wipe out, we should decriminalize
marijuana, wipe out the record so you

19:31:09:13 19:31:11:01
can actually say in honesty, have you
ever been arrested for anything you

19:31:11:02 19:31:12:12
can say no because we're going to
pass a law saying that there is no

19:31:12:13 19:31:13:24
background that you have to review
relative to the use of marijuana. So

19:31:14:00 19:31:15:08
there a lot of things but in addition
to that we got to change the

19:31:15:09 19:31:16:22
system. I joined a group of people in
the house to fight for changing the

19:31:16:23 19:31:18:09
system from punishment to
rehabilitation. Along with Arlen
Specter you

19:31:18:10 19:31:19:06
may remember I wrote the second
chance act.

19:31:19:07 19:31:20:19
In the meantime an awful lot of
people were jailed for drug crimes,
was

19:31:20:20 19:31:21:08
it a mistake to support it?

19:31:21:09 19:31:22:20
Yes it was. But here's where the
mistake came. The mistake came in
what

19:31:22:21 19:31:24:08
the sates did locally. What we did
federally is we said and you remember

19:31:24:09 19:31:25:19
it was all about the same time for
the same crime. What I've done as

19:31:25:20 19:31:27:04
chairman of the judiciary committee
is to the ten circuirt courts of

19:31:27:05 19:31:28:15
appeals and took some really
brilliant lawyers working for me in
the

19:31:28:16 19:31:30:00
judiciary and we did a study. And we
determined what happens if the

19:31:30:01 19:31:31:14
first, second, third offence for any
crime in the criminal justice system

19:31:31:15 19:31:32:24
at the federal level. If you're a
black man it's the frist time you

19:31:33:00 19:31:34:11
commit a robbery how long would you
go to jail on average, if you're a

19:31:34:12 19:31:35:21
white man how long?  Black man would
go to jail on average thirteen

19:31:35:22 19:31:37:09
years, white man two years. I got
down the list of every single crime.
So

19:31:37:10 19:31:38:21
we set up a sentencing commission, we
didn't set the time. Every single

19:31:38:22 19:31:40:08
maximum was reduced in there but what
happened was it became the same

19:31:40:09 19:31:41:19
time for the same crime. So it said
you have to serve between one and

19:31:41:20 19:31:43:07
three years and then black folks went
to jail a lot less then they would

19:31:43:08 19:31:43:24
have before but it was a mistake.

19:31:44:00 19:31:45:12
Let me ask you another followup on
the crime bill it also funded another

19:31:45:13 19:31:46:24
hundred thousand police back in 1994.
You've often said that more cops

19:31:47:00 19:31:48:01
clearly means less crime, do you
still believe that?

19:31:48:02 19:31:49:14
Yes, if in fact they are involved in
community policing not jump squads.

19:31:49:15 19:31:51:01
For example, when we had community
policing from the mid nineties on to

19:31:51:02 19:31:52:09
when Bush got elected violent crime
went down, you remember the

19:31:52:10 19:31:53:23
significant rise in violent crime
that was occurring in the late
eighties

19:31:53:24 19:31:55:10
and went into the ninetys. It went
down and fewer african americans were

19:31:55:11 19:31:56:23
arrested because you had the
requirement, the cops didn't like it,
they

19:31:56:24 19:31:58:09
didn't like community policing
because you had to have two people in
a

19:31:58:10 19:31:59:19
vehicle, they had to get out of their
cars, they had to introduce

19:31:59:20 19:32:01:07
themselves to whoever owned the local
liquor store, who owned the grocery

19:32:01:08 19:32:02:19
store, who was the woman on the
corner and what they would do George
is

19:32:02:20 19:32:04:08
they would go give people their phone
numbers, a cop would give the phone

19:32:04:09 19:32:05:19
number so if Milly Smith was on the
second floor when a drug deal took

19:32:05:20 19:32:07:06
place and things happened below her
she could call and say it's Milly

19:32:07:07 19:32:08:16
there's something going on here. And
they'd never reveal it was her

19:32:08:17 19:32:10:03
because they know she knew if they
put that on the report they'd never

19:32:10:04 19:32:11:13
report the crime. She'd never report.
So it actually started to come

19:32:11:14 19:32:13:01
down. What happened. They eliminated
the funding for community policing.

19:32:13:02 19:32:14:11
Community policing doesn't mean more
people coming in and up arming

19:32:14:12 19:32:15:24
humvee's and swarming. What they did,
it turned out that by the time we

19:32:16:00 19:32:17:09
got to the late nineties crime had
gone down so much that mayors and

19:32:17:10 19:32:18:21
everybody asked the question where do
you want me to spend the money?

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They say well only one percent
thought violent crime was a problem,
it

19:32:20:08 19:32:21:00
was as high as twenty two percent.

19:32:21:01 19:32:22:09
Right now we have a systemic problem,
how do you get the kind of

19:32:22:10 19:32:23:04
policing, prevent the kind of
policing.

19:32:23:05 19:32:24:18
You have to change. One of the things
I'm going to do George. Is set up a

19:32:24:19 19:32:26:05
national study group made up of cops
and social workers as well as made

19:32:26:06 19:32:27:16
up of the black community and the
brown community to sit down it the

19:32:27:17 19:32:29:04
White House and over the next year
come up with significant reforms that

19:32:29:05 19:32:30:16
need to take place within
communities. You have to bring them
together.

19:32:30:17 19:32:32:04
One of the things I've observed is.
You know. Where I grew up you either

19:32:32:05 19:32:33:16
became a cop, a firefighter, or a
priest. I wasn't qualified much to do

19:32:33:17 19:32:35:03
any one of them. But here's the deal
all kidding aside. Most cops don't

19:32:35:04 19:32:36:11
like bad cops. They don't like it. So
what happens is they get

19:32:36:12 19:32:37:23
intimidated into not reporting. So
one of the things we do is there has

19:32:37:24 19:32:39:11
to be transparency available, we have
to be able to at the federal level

19:32:39:12 19:32:40:22
go in and be able to check out if
there is systematic problems within

19:32:40:23 19:32:42:07
police departments. If in fact a cop
needs to be tried it's not the

19:32:42:08 19:32:43:18
prosecutor in the community, in the
district there, you've got to go

19:32:43:19 19:32:45:07
outside the community to get another
prosecutor to come in and handle the

19:32:45:08 19:32:46:18
crime. There's a lot of things we've
learned. And it takes time but we

19:32:46:19 19:32:48:05
can do this. you can ban choke holds
but beyond that you have to teach

19:32:48:06 19:32:49:15
people how to de escalate
circumstances. De escalate, so
instead of

19:32:49:16 19:32:51:02
someone coming at you and the first
thing you do is shoot to kill, you

19:32:51:03 19:32:52:12
shoot them in the leg, there's ways,
you have to do more background

19:32:52:13 19:32:53:21
checks in terms of whether or not
person coming in passes certain

19:32:53:22 19:32:55:09
psychological tests. The last thing
I'll say and I'm sorry because it's

19:32:55:10 19:32:56:22
really, really really important is
you have to be in a position where we

19:32:56:23 19:32:58:10
are able to identify the things that
have to change and one of the things

19:32:58:11 19:32:59:21
that has to change is that so many
cops get called into circumstances

19:32:59:22 19:33:01:10
where somebody is mentally off. Like
what happened with that guy with the

19:33:01:11 19:33:02:17
knife. That's why we have to provide
within police departments

19:33:02:18 19:33:04:04
psychiatric psychologist and social
workers who go out with the cops on

19:33:04:05 19:33:05:18
those calls, some of those 911 calls.
To de-escalate the circumstance, to

19:33:05:19 19:33:07:05
deal with talking them down, but we
can't. Cops are kind of like school

19:33:07:06 19:33:08:17
teachers now, you know a school
teacher has to know everything from
how

19:33:08:18 19:33:10:05
to handle hunger in a household as
well as how to teach you how to read.

19:33:10:06 19:33:11:18
Well cops don't have that breadth and
there's a lot of things we can do.

19:33:11:19 19:33:13:03
We shouldn't be defunding cops we
should be mandating things within

19:33:13:04 19:33:14:09
police departments to make sure
there's total transparancy.

19:33:14:10 19:33:15:12
Got to take another quick break,
we'll be right back

19:44:18:01 19:44:19:12
And the Supreme Court is our next

19:44:19:22 19:44:20:18
topic. The questioner, Nathan

19:44:20:19 19:44:22:14
Osborne, a Philadelphia,

19:44:22:19 19:44:23:21
Pennsylvania, Democrat.

19:44:24:15 19:44:25:13
Hi, I'm George.

19:44:25:14 19:44:26:13
Mr. Vice President.

19:44:26:14 19:44:26:19
Hey, Nathan.

19:44:27:12 19:44:28:16
Our country's first Supreme Court

19:44:28:17 19:44:29:25
gave its first ruling just two

19:44:29:26 19:44:31:04
blocks from here, from

19:44:33:06 19:44:34:09
1791 to 1800, and it's become more

19:44:35:01 19:44:35:20
polarized since then.

19:44:35:21 19:44:37:05
Merrick Garland didn't get a hearing

19:44:37:06 19:44:38:18
for all of 2016 and

19:44:39:03 19:44:40:17
Amy Coney Barrett's being pushed

19:44:40:18 19:44:42:05
through at the last minute, even

19:44:42:06 19:44:43:25
though millions have already voted.

19:44:44:04 19:44:45:18
So what do you think about ideas

19:44:45:19 19:44:47:16
from people like Pete Buttigieg and

19:44:47:17 19:44:49:20
others to put in place safeguards

19:44:50:04 19:44:51:20
that will help ensure more long term

19:44:51:21 19:44:53:15
balance and stability?

19:44:53:20 19:44:54:18
And what do you say to LGBTQ

19:44:54:19 19:44:56:04
Americans and others who are very
worried right now about erosions of

19:44:56:05 19:44:57:01
their rights and our democracy as a
whole?

19:44:57:02 19:44:58:11
Well, let me start on the last point
and work my way back. I think

19:44:58:12 19:44:59:21
there's great reason to be concerned.
I was on the road most of the

19:45:11:11 19:45:13:00
time during these hearings, so I

19:45:13:06 19:45:14:04
didn't hear many of them.

19:45:14:05 19:45:15:04
I just got the recaps. I'd

19:45:16:22 19:45:17:22
get in late at night.

19:45:18:08 19:45:19:23
I'd been going around the country,

19:45:19:24 19:45:21:14
Florida anyway.

19:45:21:18 19:45:23:04
And but

19:45:23:22 19:45:26:00
my reading online, what

19:45:26:03 19:45:27:03
the judge said

19:45:28:06 19:45:29:19
was she didn't answer very many

19:45:30:02 19:45:31:05
questions at all.

19:45:31:10 19:45:32:24
And I don't even think she has laid

19:45:33:00 19:45:34:23
out much of a judicial philosophy

19:45:34:24 19:45:36:12
in terms of the basis upon which

19:45:36:22 19:45:38:07
she thinks are there unenumerated

19:45:38:08 19:45:39:11
rights in the Constitution.

19:45:39:12 19:45:40:24
And so, number one. So I think
there's great reason to be concerned
for

19:45:41:00 19:45:42:12
the LGBQ community, something I
fought very hard for, for a long time
to

19:45:42:13 19:45:43:23
make sure there's equality across the
board. Number two, I think that

19:45:43:24 19:45:45:11
also health care overall is very much
in jeopardy as a consequence of the

19:45:45:12 19:45:46:22
president's going to go directly
after this election, directly to the

19:45:46:23 19:45:48:11
Supreme Court within a month to try
to get Obamacare wiped out, after ten

19:45:48:12 19:45:49:24
million people have already lost
their insurance from their employer,
and

19:45:50:00 19:45:51:12
he wants to take twenty million
people out of the system as well,
plus a

19:45:51:13 19:45:52:24
hundred million people with
preexisting conditions. So there's a
lot at

19:45:53:00 19:45:54:12
stake. I don't think it's
appropriate. I think the Constitution
implies.

19:45:54:13 19:45:55:22
There's no provision in the
Constitution. My problem is I made
the

19:45:55:23 19:45:57:08
mistake of teaching constitutional
law for twenty one years, and the

19:45:57:09 19:45:58:21
separate of powers. The Constitution
implies that the way the people have

19:45:58:22 19:46:00:07
a right to determine who's going to
be on the court is how they vote

19:46:00:08 19:46:01:20
for their senators and their
president. We seek the advice and
consent of

19:46:01:21 19:46:02:10
the Senate and the president.

19:46:02:11 19:46:03:15
The president is president for all
four years, isn't he?

19:46:03:16 19:46:05:03
No, he is. But once an election
begins, by implication it is
inconsistent

19:46:05:04 19:46:06:16
with the constitutional principles in
my view. You get disagreement among

19:46:06:17 19:46:08:00
scholars on this. But I believe it's
inconsistent when overwhelm,

19:46:08:01 19:46:09:11
millions of people have already voted
to put someone on the court. I

19:46:09:12 19:46:10:25
think it should have been held until
the next, this election is over, see

19:46:10:26 19:46:12:12
what the makeup of the Senate is
going to be, if the president wins
this

19:46:12:13 19:46:13:04
election, he should be able to.

19:47:10:19 19:47:12:05
How about that question of expanding

19:47:12:06 19:47:13:03
the court? Here's what you said

19:47:13:04 19:47:14:17
exactly one year ago tonight at a

19:47:14:18 19:47:15:22
Democratic debate.

19:47:16:04 19:47:17:04
You said, "I would not get into court

19:47:17:15 19:47:18:15
packing. I would not pack the

19:47:18:24 19:47:20:03
court." That's not what you're

19:47:20:04 19:47:21:17
saying now. Is the nomination of

19:47:21:22 19:47:23:08
Judge Barrett reason enough to

19:47:23:20 19:47:25:10
rethink your position?.

19:47:25:11 19:47:26:22
What is, the nomination, what I
wanted to do, George, you know if I
had

19:47:26:23 19:47:28:10
answered the question directly, then
all the focus would be on, "What's

19:47:28:11 19:47:29:23
Biden going to do if he wins?"
instead of on, "Is it appropriate,
what's

19:47:29:24 19:47:31:10
going on now?" And it should stay,
this is the thing that the president

19:47:31:11 19:47:32:22
loves to do, always take our eye off
the ball, what's at stake. One of

19:47:32:23 19:47:34:09
the things Pete has suggested is, and
there's a number of constitutional

19:47:34:10 19:47:35:22
scholars who have suggested it as
well, that there are at least four or

19:47:35:23 19:47:37:07
five options that are available to
determine whether or not you can

19:47:37:08 19:47:38:17
change the way in which the court
lifetime appointment takes place,

19:47:38:18 19:47:40:03
consistent, arguably, with the
Constitution. I have not been a fan
of

19:47:40:04 19:47:41:16
court packing because it just
generates what's going to happen,
whoever

19:47:41:17 19:47:43:02
wins, it just keeps moving in a way
that is inconsistent with what is

19:47:43:03 19:47:43:21
going to be manageable down the road.

19:47:43:22 19:47:44:10
So you're still not a fan?

19:47:44:11 19:47:45:23
Well, I'm not a fan. I didn't say, it
depends on how this turns out, not

19:47:45:24 19:47:47:11
how he wins but how it's handled, how
it's handled. But there's a number

19:47:47:12 19:47:48:23
of things that are going to be coming
up. And there's going to be a lot

19:47:48:24 19:47:49:23
of discussion about other
alternatives as well.

19:47:49:24 19:47:51:06
What does that mean, how it's
handled? How will that determine-

19:47:51:07 19:47:52:17
Well, for example, there's actually
real, live debate on the floor if

19:47:52:18 19:47:54:04
people are really going to be able to
have the time to go through this,

19:47:54:05 19:47:55:15
you know, I don't know anybody who's
gone on the floor that's been a

19:47:55:16 19:47:57:02
controversial justice in terms of
fundamentally altering the makeup of

19:47:57:03 19:47:58:14
the court that's gone through in a
day kind of thing. It depends on how

19:47:58:15 19:48:00:02
much they rush this. And you think
about it, George, here you got a lot

19:48:00:03 19:48:01:13
of people not being able to pay their
mortgage, not being able to put

19:48:01:14 19:48:03:01
food on the table, not being able to
keep their business open, not being

19:48:03:02 19:48:04:13
able to do anything to deal with
what's going on in terms of the
economy

19:48:04:14 19:48:06:01
as a consequence of covid, and they
have no time to deal with that. But

19:48:06:02 19:48:06:20
they have time to rush this through.

19:48:06:21 19:48:08:04
Well, right now it looks like they're
going to have a vote around

19:48:08:05 19:48:09:15
Halloween. So if they vote on it
before the election, you are open to

19:48:09:16 19:48:10:01
expanding the court?

19:48:10:02 19:48:11:05
I'm open to considering what happens
from that point on.

19:48:11:06 19:48:12:16
You know, you said so many times
during the campaign, all through the

19:48:12:17 19:48:14:04
course of your career, it's important
to level with the American people.

19:48:14:05 19:48:15:16
It is. George, if I say, no matter
what answer I gave you, if I say it,

19:48:15:17 19:48:17:04
that's the headline tomorrow. It
won't be about what's going on now,
the

19:48:17:05 19:48:17:21
improper way they're proceeding.

19:48:17:22 19:48:18:24
But don't voters have a right to know
where you stand?

19:48:19:00 19:48:20:12
They do have a right to know where I
stand. And they'll have a right to

19:48:20:13 19:48:21:06
know where I stand before they vote.

19:48:21:07 19:48:22:13
So you'll come out with a clear
position before election day?

19:48:22:14 19:48:23:25
Yes, depending on how they handle
this. But look, what you should do is

19:48:23:26 19:48:25:11
yo've got to make sure you vote, and
vote for a senator who, in fact,

19:48:25:12 19:48:26:24
thinks, reflects your general view on
constitutional interpretation, and

19:48:27:00 19:48:28:11
vote for a president who you think is
more in line with you. And if you

19:48:28:12 19:48:29:25
oppose the position, I would not have
appointed her, but if you oppose my

19:48:29:26 19:48:31:13
position, vote for Trump, vote for a
Republican who shares that view. But

19:48:31:14 19:48:32:22
that's your opportunity to get
involved in lifetime appointments.

19:48:32:23 19:48:34:02
Presidents come and go. Justices stay
and stay and stay.

19:48:34:03 19:48:35:15
We have a question from a Republican,
Andrew Lewis, I guess a disaffected

19:48:35:16 19:48:37:03
Republican. You cast a write-in for
John Kasich in 2016. You're going to

19:48:37:04 19:48:37:23
vote against President Trump this
year.

19:48:37:24 19:48:38:20
And John's writing in for me, by the
way.

19:48:38:21 19:48:40:04
I know that. Mr. Vice President, my
father, Drew Lewis, served as

19:48:40:05 19:48:41:16
secretary of transportation under
President Ronald Reagan in his first

19:48:41:17 19:48:41:18
term.

19:48:41:19 19:48:42:07
Oh, yeah. I'll be darned.

19:48:42:08 19:48:43:17
And some of his closest allies and
friends were Democrats, including

19:48:43:18 19:48:45:05
House Speaker Tip O'Neill  and
Senator Ted Kennedy. Sadly, today we
have

19:48:45:06 19:48:46:16
highly partisan and dysfunctional
governance. And I believe President

19:48:46:17 19:48:48:03
Trump is primarily responsible for
creating this toxic environment. As

19:48:48:04 19:48:49:16
president, how will you avoid the
temptation to exact revenge and
instead

19:48:49:17 19:48:51:03
take the high road and attempt to
restore bipartisanship, civility and

19:48:51:04 19:48:51:15
honor to our democracy?

19:48:51:16 19:48:53:02
As written by a fellow who won the
Pulitzer Prize for a book he wrote

19:48:53:03 19:48:54:15
about the presidency, he said, "You
know, I doubt whether Biden is really

19:48:54:16 19:48:56:02
Irish. He doesn't hold a grudge." In
politics, grudges don't work. They

19:48:56:03 19:48:57:15
make no sense. I really mean it. I
have never. And the second point I'd

19:48:57:16 19:48:59:02
make is everybody talks about, "Yeah,
Joe, when you were a senator and a

19:48:59:03 19:49:00:15
chairman of foreign relations or a
chairman of the judiciary, you got a

19:49:00:16 19:49:02:02
lot of things done. You were able to
cross the aisle. But the days have

19:49:02:03 19:49:03:14
changed. When you were vice
president, you got a lot done, but it
can't

19:49:03:15 19:49:05:01
happen anymore." It can. We've got to
change the nature of the way we

19:49:05:02 19:49:06:13
deal with one another. And it starts
off by the way your father was and

19:49:06:14 19:49:08:01
Tip was and others. You don't
question another man or woman's
motive. You

19:49:08:02 19:49:09:12
can question their judgment, but not
their motive. We badly needed an

19:49:09:13 19:49:11:01
infrastructure bill. Well, what
happens? I stand up and I say, "You
know,

19:49:11:02 19:49:12:13
we need an infrastructure bill,
senator. But I tell you what. You're
in

19:49:12:14 19:49:13:25
the pocket of the cement industry.
Let's see what we can do. You can't

19:49:13:26 19:49:15:12
get anywhere. Nothing happens.
Nothing happens. I learned that
lesson a

19:49:15:13 19:49:16:23
long time ago. Even when it's obvious
on its face what the motive is,

19:49:16:24 19:49:18:11
stick to the subject and listen to
the other guy. Listen. What I will be

19:49:18:12 19:49:19:24
doing if I'm elected president, the
first thing, and not a joke. You can

19:49:20:00 19:49:21:10
ask. If they tell your dad's old
friends on the Republican side. I'm

19:49:21:11 19:49:22:22
going to pick up the phone and call
them and say, "Let's get together.

19:49:22:23 19:49:24:08
We've got to figure out how we're
going to move forward here." Because

19:49:24:09 19:49:25:21
there are so many thing we really do
agree on. And with Trump out of the

19:49:25:22 19:49:27:09
way, the vindictiveness of a
president going after Republicans who
don't

19:49:27:10 19:49:28:21
do exactly what he says gets taken
away, there's going to be, I promise

19:49:28:22 19:49:30:09
you, between four and eight
Republican senators who are willing
to move

19:49:30:10 19:49:31:22
on things where there's bipartisan
consensus. Last example I'll give
you.

19:49:31:23 19:49:33:10
You know, after Trump had been
elected, named the next president,
wasn't

19:49:33:11 19:49:34:23
sworn in yet, I had been working on a
bill relating to cancer cures. And

19:49:34:24 19:49:36:06
it was called the Cancer Moonshot.
And I worked with a number of

19:49:36:07 19:49:37:19
Democrats and Republicans. And we had
a bill that was about nine billion

19:49:37:20 19:49:39:06
dollars that made significant
increases in research and development
on

19:49:39:07 19:49:40:18
cancer alternatives, NIH, and
particularly specific cancer
initiatives.

19:49:40:19 19:49:42:03
And we only had at the time, I think
it was a hundred and eleven, a

19:49:42:04 19:49:43:16
hundred and fourteen, whatever it
was, votes in the House. I don't know

19:49:43:17 19:49:45:02
how many, the exact number. And we
had fewer than forty in the Senate.

19:49:45:03 19:49:46:15
But after I was elected, I got those
people together as vice president,

19:49:46:16 19:49:48:00
we sat down and we worked it out. And
we ended up getting it passed,

19:49:48:01 19:49:49:13
three hundred and ninety six votes in
the House and ninety four votes in

19:49:49:14 19:49:50:24
the Senate. And at the end of the
day, because it had to do with the

19:49:51:00 19:49:52:08
Biden Cancer Moonshot I'd been
working on, Mitch McConnell, Mitch

19:49:52:09 19:49:53:20
McConnell stood up, and I was
presiding officer, and moved to name
the

19:49:53:21 19:49:55:07
bill after my deceased son, Beau, who
had just died. So there is, there

19:49:55:08 19:49:56:04
is, there are ways to bring this
together.

19:49:56:05 19:49:57:16
But how about the question for
political accountability? And is
there

19:49:57:17 19:49:59:03
some tension between that and
bringing people together? You know,
Robert

19:49:59:04 19:50:00:16
Mueller laid out a lot of evidence of
possible obstruction of justice by

19:50:00:17 19:50:02:01
President Trump. What would a Biden
justice department do with that

19:50:02:02 19:50:02:06
evidence?

19:50:02:07 19:50:03:16
What the Biden justice department
will do is let the Department of

19:50:03:17 19:50:05:04
Justice be the Department of Justice,
let them make the judgments of who

19:50:05:05 19:50:06:15
should be prosecuted. They are not my
lawyers. They're not my personal

19:50:06:16 19:50:06:20
lawyers.

19:50:06:21 19:50:07:20
So you're not going to rule it in or
rule it out?

19:50:07:21 19:50:09:08
I'm not going to rule it in or out.
I'm going to hire really first rate

19:50:09:09 19:50:10:16
prosecutors and people who understand
the law, like democrat and

19:50:10:17 19:50:12:05
republican administrations have had,
and let them make the judgments. But

19:50:12:06 19:50:13:17
turning this into a vehicle as if
it's your own law firm. You don't own

19:50:13:18 19:50:15:04
that Justice Department. You pick the
best people you can and you hope

19:50:15:05 19:50:16:17
that what they're going to do is
they're going to enforce the law as
they

19:50:16:18 19:50:18:05
see it. But can you remember any
Republican president going out there,
or

19:50:18:06 19:50:19:17
former Democratic president, "Go find
that guy and prosecute him." You

19:50:19:18 19:50:21:03
ever heard of that? Or by the way,
"I'm being sued because a woman's

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accusing me of rape. Represent me.
Represent me. Personally represent in

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the State of New York by not allowing
my tax returns." What's that all

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about? What is that about?

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We've got to take another break.
We'll be right back.

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And welcome back to our town hall

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with former Vice President Joe

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Biden. We're going to look at the

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environment

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right now. We're going to get a
question from Michelle Elise from

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Pittsburgh Pennsylvania a business
woman, a social worker. You're a

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Republican that's voted for Democrats
but you're not sure what you're

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going to do this time around,
correct?

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Correct.

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Greetings former Vice President
Biden.

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Hello.

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in a 2012 report of the University of
Pittsburgh's institute of Politics,

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fracking was discussed and its
possible implications for the water
ways

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from the common wells to the Gulf.
Fracking has made the population sick

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and killed wildlife in Southwest
Pennsylvania. The Commonwealth of

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Pennsylvania and Small Business
Development Centers have already
begun to

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transition people away from fossil
fuels. What industries that are not

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harmful to human health and the
environment are you planning for

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Southwest Pennsylvania and the
nation?

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Well first of all, I make it clear,
I do not propose banning fracking. I

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think you have to make sure that
fracking is in fact not admitting

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methane or polluting the well or
dealing with what can be small

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earthquakes and how they are
drilling. So it has to be managed
very well,

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number one. Number two, what we have
to do, the future rests in renewable

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energy. The single fastest growing
energy source in the world, because,

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I'm going to say something that's
going to sound self serving but I

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managed the recovery act and I was
able to invest billions of dollars

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into bringing down the cost of, the
cost per BTU of wind and solar. So

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now it's cheaper than coal and it's
cheaper than oil right now and it has

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great, great promise. And it's also
the fastest growing employer in the

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energy industry and so there are a
number of things I would do

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immediately. Number one, there are
well over 100,000 wells that are left

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uncapped in the region. We can hire
128,000 of these people who are

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working in the industry to cap these
wells and get a good salary doing it

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now. Number one. Number two, we
should be moving toward finding the
new

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technologies that are going to be
able to deal with carbon capture so
the

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all the money is transitionally moved
from to a net zero emission of

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carbon that we're still going to be
able to use if we find the right

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technology. Some gases, some gas to
be able to be if we can carbon

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capture. And I think we're going to
be able to move in the direction

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where by the year of 2035 we'll be
able to have net zero emissions of

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carbon from the creation of energy,
energy creation that so we can move

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it by dealing with those and every
time we talk about global warming or

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the environment, the President thinks
it's a joke and I think it's jobs.

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Because what we're going to have
happen is you're going to be able to
see

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now, as I was started to say before,
I as President am going to invest

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the 600 billion dollars we spend in
government contracts, only on those

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things, that in fact, also are not
only made in America, but building an

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infrastructure that's clean and new.
And what we have to do, is focus on

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the transmission of energy across the
country from areas related to solar

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and wind. The reason is that has not
been mastered yet. I met people a

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lot of people in Silicon Valley, the
battery technology is increasing

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significantly so you're going to be
able to have, for example, solar on

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your home, in a battery the size of
this, by this, by this, as I'm

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showing you here in your basement. So
when the sun doesn't shine for five

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days, you still have enough energy,
so we're making significant progress.

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The other thing we're going to do, is
provide an awful lot of work that's

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estimated to put close to a million
people to work but weatherizing four

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million building and two million
homes because we'll save tons and
tons

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of energy, billions of barrels of
energy over time and at the same
time,

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provide significant employment. And
good union wages prevailing wages.

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Let me stick on fracking for a
second.

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Sure.

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You said you don't want to ban
fracking. As you know, it's an
important

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issue here in Pennsylvania, not
everyone believes your denial. A
member

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of the boilermaker local 154, Shawn
Steffee was quoted in the New York

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Times today saying "You can't have it
both ways, you can't meet your goal

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to end fossil fuels without ending
fracking." What do you say to people

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like Shawn who doubt your denial
because they think you want to keep
that

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promise to end fossil fuels.

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Boilermakers overwhelmingly endorse
me. Okay? So the boilermaker's union

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has endorsed me because I sat down
with them and went into great detail

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with leadership in exactly what I
would do, number one. Number two,
what

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I would do, I would stop making, stop
giving tax breaks and subsidizing

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oil. We don't need to subsidize oil
any longer, number one, we should

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stop that and save billions of
dollars over time. What I would also
do

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with regards to, theres no, the
difference between me and the new
green

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deal, they say automatically by 2030,
we're going to be carbon free, not

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possible.

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So are you for it or against it? You
say you're not for it, but in your

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website, it says, you call it a
crucial framework.

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My deal is a crucial framework but
not the new green deal. The new green

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deal calls for elimination of all non
renewable energy by 2030, you can't

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get there. You're going to need to be
able to transition, George. To be

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able to transition to get to the
place where we invest in new
technology

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that allow us to do things that get
us to a place where we get to net

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zero emmission, including in
agriculture, I've laid out a detailed
plan.

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We should be taking the plan where we
allow significant more land to be

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put in conservation, plant deep
rooted plants, which absorbs carbon
from

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the air and in fact pay farmers to do
it. We can do things like pelletize

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all the chicken manure and all the
horse manure, and cow manure and they

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can take out the methane and use it
as fertilizer and make a lot of money

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doing it. For example, right now down
in, people when I say it, they

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wonder what I'm talking about. The
biggest carbon sink is in the Amazon.

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More carbon absorbed from the air
diminishing global warming in the

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Amazon than all the carbon admitted
on a yearly basis from the United

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States of America from all vehicles
and all means. So we have to use our

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imagination. We have to move in the
direction as well, providing for

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electric vehicles. Electric vehicles
will save billions of gallons of

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oil, create estimated, not me, Wall
Street, one million automobile jobs.

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But we're lagging, we're not
investing, we're not doing any of the

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research.

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Time to take another quick break,
we'll be right back.

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And welcome back to our town hall
with former Vice President Joe Biden,

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why don't we look at the environment
right now.

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Greetings form Vice President Biden,
in a 2012 report from the University

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of Pittsburgh's institute of politics
fracking was discussed and its

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possible implications for the
waterways from the commonwealth to
the

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gulf. Fracking has made the
population sick and killed wildlife
in south

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west Pennsylvania, the commonwealth
of Pennsylvania and small business

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centers have already begun to
transition people away form fossil
fuels.

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What industries that are not harmful
to human health and the environment

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are you planning for southwest
Pennsylvania and the nation?

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Well first of all let me make it
clear. I do not propose banning

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fracking. I think you have to make
sure that frack is not emitting

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methane or polluting a well or
dealing with  the small earthquakes
and

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how they're drilling so it has to be
managed very very well number one.

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Number two what we have to do is the
future rests in renewable energy.

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The single fastest growing energy
source in the world right now.
Because.

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I'm going to say something that
sounds self serving but I manged the

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recovery act, and I was able to
invest billions of dollars into
bringing

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down the cost of, the cost per BTu of
wind and solar so now it's cheaper

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than coal, it's cheaper than oil
right now. And it has great great

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promise, it's also the fasted growing
employer in the energy industry.

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And so there are a number of things
that I would do immediately. Number

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one. There are over, well over, a
hundred thousand wells that are left

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uncapped in the region. We can hire a
hundred and twenty eight thousand

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of these people that are working in
the industry to cap these wells and

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get a good salary doing it now.
Number one. Number two, we should be

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moving toward finding the new
technologies that are going to be
able to

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deal with carbon capture so that as
we move to a net zero emission of

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carbon that we are still going to be
able to use if we find the right

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technology some gases, some gas to be
able to if we can carbon capture.

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And I think we're going to be able to
move in a direction that by the

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year 2035 we'll be able to have net
zero emissions of carbon from the

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creation of energy. Energy creation.
So we can move it by dealing with

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those

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Welcome to Pennsylvania Mr Vice
President. So peace is breaking out
all

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over the world, our troops are coming
home. Serbia is talking to Kosovo.

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And the Arabs and Israel are talking.
I think it's a modern day miracle

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what's going on. Does President
Trump's foreign policy deserve some

20:31:15:08 20:31:15:10
credit?

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A little but not a whole lot. We
find ourselves in a position where we

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are more isolated in the world then
we ever have been. Our allies are go

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it alone, America first has made
America alone. You have Iran closer
to

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having enough nuclear material to
build a bomb, you have North Korea
with

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more bombs and missiles available to
it, we find ourselves where our NATO

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allies are saying they can't count on
us. We're in a situation as well

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where in the far east we find
ourselves in the western pacfic where
we're

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isolated as well. You have Japan and
South Korea at odds with one another

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and China is making moves. So I would
say we are less secure then we've

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been. I do compliment the president
on the deal with Israel recently but

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if you take a look we are not very
well trusted around the world. When
17

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major nations in the world were asked
who they trust more, who's a better

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leader. And the president came behind
Putin as well as Xi and look what

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Putin's doing. Bounty's on American
heads in Afghanistan, they have more

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people there now then when I left in
Afghanistan. And we find ourselves

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in a situation where he's talked to
Putin six times and hasn't said a

20:31:39:14 20:31:41:01
word to him. And NATO is at risk of
beginning to crack because they doubt

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our whether we are there. You see
everything that's happening from

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Belarus, to Poland, to Hungry and the
rise of totalitarian regimes in the

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world. And as well as this President
embraces all the thugs in the world,

20:31:45:14 20:31:46:25
he's best friends with the leader
North Korea sending love letters, he

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didn't take on Putin in any way. He
is learned the art of the steal from

20:31:48:13 20:31:50:01
the art of the deal form Xi in China.
So I would respectfully suggest no,

20:31:50:02 20:31:51:13
there is no plan, there is no
coherent plan for world policy. You
know

20:31:51:14 20:31:52:24
we've always ruled, we've been most
effective as a world leader in my

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humble opinion not just by the
exercise of our power, we're the most

20:31:54:10 20:31:55:21
powerful nation in the world. But by
the power of our example, that's

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what's lead the rest of the world the
follow us on almost everything.

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He's pulled out of almost every
international organization. He gets

20:31:58:18 20:32:00:04
laughed at when he goes to, literally
not figuratively, when he goes to

20:32:00:05 20:32:01:17
the United Nations. It's just not,
it's not about the President per se,

20:32:01:18 20:32:03:01
it's about the nation and the lack of
respect that's shown to us.

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I'm the proud mom of two girls 8 and
10. My youngest daughter is

20:32:04:11 20:32:05:23
transgender. The Trump administraion
has attacked transgender people. How

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will you as President reverse this
dangerous agenda and ensure that the

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lives and rights of LGBTQ people are
protected under US law.

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I will flat out just change the law.
Elminate those executive orders. You

20:32:10:06 20:32:11:18
may recall I'm the guy who said, I
was raised by a man, I remember I was

20:32:11:19 20:32:13:06
being dropped off, my dad was a high
scool educated well read man, I was

20:32:13:07 20:32:14:16
being dropped off at the center of
our city, Wilminton Delaware, the

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corporate capital of the world at the
time. And these two men getting out

20:32:16:06 20:32:17:13
to get an application to be a life
guard in the African American

20:32:17:14 20:32:18:25
community because there was a big
swimming pool complex and these two

20:32:18:26 20:32:20:11
men, well dressed leaned up and
hugged and kissed one another. And
I'm

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getting out of the car at the light
and I turn to my dad and my dad

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looked at me and said it's simple,
they love eachother. The idea that an

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8 year old child or a 10 year old
child decides that you know I want to

20:32:24:23 20:32:26:08
be transgender that's what I think
I'd like to be, I think that would

20:32:26:09 20:32:27:20
make my life a lot easier. There
should be zero discrimination, what's

20:32:27:21 20:32:29:05
happening is too many transgener
women of color are being murdered.

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They're being murdered. I think now
it's up to 17, don't hold me to that

20:32:30:19 20:32:32:06
number, it's higher now. And that's
just this year. And so I promise you

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there is no reason to suggest that
there sould be any right denied to

20:32:33:18 20:32:35:04
your daughter or daughters. One, your
daughter that your other daughter

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has a right to being due. None. Zero.
And by the way, my son Beau passed

20:32:36:18 20:32:38:04
away was the attorney general of the
state of Delaware. he was the guy

20:32:38:05 20:32:39:13
that got the first transgender law
passed in the state of Delaware

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because of  young man who became a
woman who worked for him in the

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attorny general's office. And I'm
proud of that.

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And welcome back to our town hall
with Former Vice President Joe Biden.

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The next question comes from Keenan
Wilson, Narberth, Pennsylvania

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Democrat.

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Good evening. You say that you're
committed to entering this race after

20:41:56:08 20:41:57:19
the events of Charlottesville in
2017. I assume that that feeling that

20:41:57:20 20:41:59:07
prompted you to run will not go away
once the results are determined. So

20:41:59:08 20:42:00:17
hypothetically, if you lose, how will
you use your platform to urge

20:42:00:18 20:42:02:04
Donald Trump and those rallying
behind him towards the ideals of a
more

20:42:02:05 20:42:02:12
perfect union?

20:42:02:13 20:42:03:24
Well, to be very honest with you, I
think that's very hard. He is not,

20:42:04:00 20:42:05:10
things have not lent themselves to
him learning from what's happened,

20:42:05:11 20:42:06:22
what's gone before. Instead of being
chastened by being one of the few

20:42:06:23 20:42:08:09
presidents, the only president to be
impeached and then have a member of

20:42:08:10 20:42:09:22
his own party vote to expel him, it
emboldened him. But what I will do,

20:42:09:23 20:42:11:05
hopefully I'll go back to being a
professor at the University of

20:42:11:06 20:42:12:17
Pennsylvania and making the case that
I've been made, and at the Biden

20:42:12:18 20:42:14:03
Institute at the University of
Delaware, focusing on the same issues

20:42:14:04 20:42:15:16
relating to what constitutes decency
and honor in this country. It's the

20:42:15:17 20:42:17:01
thing that got me involved in public
life to begin with. As a kid, I

20:42:17:02 20:42:18:15
moved from Scranton, where there were
no African Americans and moved down

20:42:18:16 20:42:20:03
to Claymont, Delaware. And in
Delaware, we have the eighth largest
black

20:42:20:04 20:42:21:14
population as a percent of the
population. It was an epiphany for
me,

20:42:21:15 20:42:23:02
seeing what was going on. And I got
deeply involved. I'm no great shakes.

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I wasn't John Lewis. I don't mean to
imply that. But it's the thing

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that's motivated. My dad used to have
an expression, for real. He said,

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"Everyone's entitled to be treated
with dignity. Everybody." And it was

20:42:27:13 20:42:29:00
real. Everybody is. And so whether
I'm a defeated candidate for
president

20:42:29:01 20:42:30:09
back teaching or I'm elected
president, it is a major element of

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everything that I'm about. Because it
reflects who we are as a nation.

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And it's what makes us, every single
solitary generation, the dials move

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closer and closer and more and more
to inclusion. And we are a country

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that is a country of slaves who came
here four hundred years ago,

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indigenous people, and everyone else
is an immigrant. And we're a diverse

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country. Unless we are able to treat
people equally, we're just never

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going to meet our potential. But I
think the American people want to see

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that happen. I think they're ready to
see that happen. And I tell you one

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thing, if I'm elected president, you
will not hear me race baiting. You

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will not hear me dividing. You will
hear me trying to unify, and unify

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with bring people together. When I
said I was running because I wanted
to

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unify the country, people said, "Well
they were the old days." We better

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be able to do it again.

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Agreed.

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We better be able to do it again.

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Mr. Vice President, if you lose, what
will that say to you about where

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America is today?

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Well, it could say that I'm a lousy
candidate and I didn't do a good job.

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But I hope that it doesn't say that
we are as racially, ethnically and

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religiously at odds with one another
as it appears the president wants us

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to be. Usually, you know, the
president's, in my view, with all due

20:42:57:09 20:42:58:21
respect, has been divide and conquer,
the way he does better if he splits

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us, you know, there's division. And I
think people need hope. I think,

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look, George, I've never been more
optimistic about the prospects of
this

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country than I am today. And I really
mean that. I think the people are

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ready. They understand what's at
stake. And it's not about Democrat or

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Republican. If I get elected, I'm
running as a proud Democrat, but I'm

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going to be an American president.
I'm going to take care of those who

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voted against me as well as those who
voted for me. For real. That's what

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presidents do. We've got to heal this
nation. Because we have the

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greatest opportunity of any country
in the world to own the 21st century.

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And we can't do it divided.

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One more break. We'll be right back.

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And we're wrapping up our town hall
here with former Vice President Joe

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Biden. Mr. Vice President as you know
President Trump had a town hall

20:43:16:13 20:43:17:22
meeting tonight as well. During that
town hall meeting he was asked

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several times whether he took a COVID
test the day of your last debate.

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You're supposed to have another
debate a week from tonight. Just two

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quick questions. Do you expect that
debate to happen? Will you demand

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that President Trump take a test that
day and that it be negative before

20:43:23:20 20:43:23:25
you debate?

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Yeah, by the way, before I came up
here I toook another test. I've been

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taking them every day you know the
deep test the one - because I wanna
be

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able - if I had not passed that test
I didn't wanna come here and not,

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you know, expose anybody. And I just
think it's - it's just decency to be

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able to determine whetehr or onot you
are, you're clear. I'm less

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concerned about me than the people -
the guys with the cameras, the

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people working in the, you know, the
Secret Service guys you drive up

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with, all those people. And so yes, I
believe he will do that. Look, I'm

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gonna abide by what the commission
rules call for. I was preapred to

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debate him remotely which was
supposed to happen and he said he
wouldn't

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do that, you know, a virtual debate.
Our town hall, he didn't want to do

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that. I didn't set those rules, the
commission set those rules. So

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whatever rules they set - and I'm
conifdent that - the Cleveland Clinic

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is the one overseeing it - I think
they're gonna not let happen what

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happened last time. They're gonna
demand that it's safe.

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But you expect to be there.

20:43:46:08 20:43:46:18
I expect to be there.

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Mr. Vice President thank you for your
time tonight. Thanks to all the

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questioners here. It was really
terrific questions, I think you did a

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service to our democracy tonight,
thank you very much. I'm gonna go
back

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to my colleague David Muir in New
York.

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