Good evening. From the health
education campus of Case
Western Reserve University and
the Cleveland Clinic.
I'm Chris Wallace of FOX News,
and I welcome you to the first of
the 20 20 presidential debates
between President Donald J.
Trump and former Vice
President Joe Biden.
This debate is sponsored by the
Commission on Presidential Debates.
The commission has designed the
format six roughly
15 minute segments
with two minute answers from each
candidate to the first question,
then open discussion for the rest
of each segment.
Both campaigns have agreed to these
rules.
For the record, I decided the topics
and the questions in each topic.
I can assure you none of the
questions has been shared with the
commission or the two
candidates.
This debate has been conducted under
health and safety protocols designed
by the Cleveland Clinic, which
is serving as the health security
adviser to the commission for all
four debates.
As a precaution both campaigns have
agreed that candidates
will not shake hands at the
beginning of tonight's debate.
The audience here in the hall has
promised to remain silent.
No cheers, no boos
or other interruptions, so we and
more importantly, you can
focus on what the candidates have to
say.
No noise, except right now
as we welcome the Republican
nominee, President Trump,
and the Democratic nominee, Vice
President Biden.
Gentlemen, a lot of people
have been waiting for this night,
so let's get going.
Our first subject is the Supreme
Court.
President Trump, you nominated Amy
Coney Barrett over the weekend to
succeed the late Ruth
Bader Ginsburg on the court.
You say the Constitution is clear
about your obligation and the
Senate's to consider
a nominee to the court.
Vice President Biden, you say
that this is an effort by the
president and Republicans
to jam through on an appointment and
what you call an abuse
of power. My first question to both
of you tonight.
Why are you right and make
the argument you make and your
opponent wrong?
And where do you think
a Justice Barrett would take
the court?
President Trump. And that's for a
segment you got first two minutes.
Thank you very much, Chris.
I will tell you very simply, we won
the election.
Elections have consequences.
We have the Senate, we have the
White House, and we
have a phenomenal nominee
respected by all.
Top, top academic
good in every way.
Good in every way.
In fact, some of her biggest
endorsers are very liberal people
from Notre Dame and other places.
So I think she's going to be
fantastic. We have plenty of time,
even if we did it after the election
itself, I have a lot of time after
the election, as you know, so I
think that she will be outstanding,
she's going to be
as good as anybody that has
served on that court.
We really feel that we have a
professor at Notre Dame, highly
respected by all said she's the
single greatest student he's
ever had. He's been a professor for
a long time and a great school.
And we just we won the
election and therefore we have the
right to choose her.
And very few people knowingly
would say otherwise. And by the way,
the Democrats, they wouldn't even
think about not doing it if they
had. The only difference is they try
and do it faster.
There's no way they would give it
up.
They had Merrick Garland.
But the problem is they didn't have
the election, so they were stopped.
And probably that would happen in
reverse also. Definitely would
happen reverse.
So we won the election and we have
the right to do it, Chris.
President Trump, thank you.
Same question to you.
Vice President Biden, you have two
minutes.
Well, first of all,
thank you for doing this and
looking forward to this, Mr.
President.
I the American people
have a right to have a say in who
the Supreme Court nominee is.
And let's say occurs, when
they vote for a United States
senator and when they vote for
the Presidentof the United States.
They're not going to get that chance
now because we're in the middle of
an election already.
Election has already started.
Tens of thousands of people have
already voted.
And so the thing that should happen
is we should wait.
We should wait and see what the
outcome of this election is, because
that's the only way the American
people get to express their view
is by who they elect as president
and who they elect as vice
president.
Now, what's at stake here?
The president's made it clear he
wants to get rid of the Affordable
Care Act.
He's been running on that.
He ran on that.
And he and many governing on that.
He's in the Supreme Court right now
trying to get rid of
the Affordable Care Act, which
will strip 20 million people
from having insurance,
health insurance now, if if
they if it goes into court
and and the justice
and I have nothing, I'm not opposed
to the justices, but she seems like
a very fine person.
But she's written before she went in
the bench, which is her right.
That she thinks that the Affordable
Care Act is not constitutional.
The other thing is on the court and
it was struck down.
What happens?
Women's rights are fundamentally
changed.
Once again, a woman could
be helped pay more money because
she has a preexisting condition of
pregnancy.
We're able to they're able to charge
women more for the same exact
procedure man gets.
And that ended when we,
in fact, passed the Affordable Care
Act.
And there's 100 million people have
preexisting conditions and they'll
be taken away as well.
Those preexisting conditions that
insurance companies are going to
love this.
And so it's just not appropriate
to do this before this election
if he wins the election and
the senator's Democrat, a
Republican.
Then he goes forward.
If not, we should wait until
February.
All right. Around 100 million people
with preexisting conditions.
As far as a say is concerned, the
people already had their say.
They.
OK. Justice Ginsburg said
very powerfully, very strongly
at some point 10
years ago or so, she said
a president and the Senate
is elected for a period of time,
but a president is elected for four
years were not elected for three
years. I'm not elected for three
years.
So we have the Senate.
We have a president elected.
During that period
of time, during that period of time.
We have an opening.
I'm not elected for three years.
I'm elected for four years.
And Joe.
One hundred million people is
totally wrong. I don't know where
you get that number.
The bigger problem that you have
is that you're going to extinguish
one hundred and eighty million
people with their private health
care, that they're very simply not
true.
Well, you said going to socialist.
We just. So we're not going to.
Gentlemen, we're now into open
doors. Got open discussion.
Got. Yes, I agree.
Go ahead, Vice for us.
Number one, he
he knows that what I've proposed
what I've proposed is that
we expand Obamacare
and we increase it.
We do not wipe any.
And one of the big debates we had
with 23 of my colleagues
trying to win the nomination that I
won. We're saying that Biden wanted
to allow people have private
insurance still.
They can.
They do. They will under my
proposal.
Not what you've said and it's not
what your party has said.
Your party wanted to go socialist
medicine party is socialist right
now.
And they're going to dominate.
Joe, you know that.
I am the Democratic Party right now.
The platform of the Democratic Party
is what I, in fact
approved of, what I approved
of. Now, here's the deal.
The deal is that it's going to wipe
out preexisting conditions.
By the way, the 20,
200 million two hundred thousand
people that have died on his watch
there. How many of those that
survive?
Well, they're seven million people
that contracted COVID.
What does it mean for them going
forward if we strike down the
Affordable Care Act?
Joe, you've had 308 thousand
military people dying because you
couldn't provide them proper health
care in the military.
So, no, tell me about.
Happy to talk about.
And if you were here, you wouldn't
be 200, it would be two million
people because you were very late on
the draw you need.
And China, which was heavily
infected.
You didn't want me to ban.
All right, gentlemen.
Right now it is heavily president.
You would have been much later Joe,
much later.
We're talking about two million
people.
But as a moderator,
we are going to talk about COVID in
the next segment. But go ahead.
Let me finish.
The point is that the president
also is opposed to
Roe v. Wade.
That's on the ballot as well.
And the court in the court.
And so that's also at stake right
now. And so the election is
all you know...
You don't know what's on the ballot. Why is it on the ballot?
It's not on the ballot.
It's on the ballot in
the court.
I don't think so, there's nothing happening
there.
Donald would you just....
We just don't know her view
on Roe v.
Wade.
Well, all right. Let's.
All right. Let's talk.
I would.
We got a lot to unpack here,
gentlemen. We got a lot of time.
So on health care
and then we'll come back to Roe v.
Wade. All right, Mr. President, the
Supreme Court will hear
a case a week after the
election in which the Trump
administration, along with 18
state attorneys general, are seeking
to overturn.
That's right.
Obamacare to end Obamacare.
You have spent the last because I
want to give healthcare.
If I may ask that question, sir.
Good health care.
Over the last four years,
you have promised to repeal
and replace Obamacare.
But you have never in these four
years come up with a plan,
a comprehensive plan to place
Obamacare for.
I got rid of the individual mandate
which was a big joke.
That is not a comprehensive plan.
That is absolutely a big thing.
That was the worst part of
Obamacare, Chris.
That was the worst part.
Let me ask my question.
Well, I'll ask Joe.
The individual mandate was the most
unpopular aspect of Obamacare.
I got rid of.
And we will protect people with pre-exisiting conditions.
Mr President, I'm the moderator in
this debate.
And I would like you to let me ask
my question and then you can answer.
In the course
of these four years have never come
up with a comprehensive plan
to replace
Obamacare.
And just this last Thursday,
you signed a largely
symbolic executive order
to protect people with
preexisting conditions.
Five days before this debate.
So my question, sir, is what is
the Trump health care plan?
Well, first of all, I guess I'm
debating you, not him.
But that's okay.
I'm not surprised. Let me just tell
you something that there's nothing
symbolic.
I'm cutting drug prices.
I'm going with favorite nations,
which no president has the courage
to do because you're going against
big pharma.
Drug prices will be coming down 80
or 90 percent.
You could have done it during your
47 year period in government,
but you didn't do it.
Nobody's done it.
So we're cutting health care, all of
the things that we've done.
Yes, so right here, I give you an
example, insulin.
It's going to. It was destroying
families, destroying people,
because.
I'm getting it for so cheap.
It's like water.
You want to know the truth.
So cheap.
Take a look at all of the drugs that
what we're doing. Prescription drug
prices.
We're going to allow our governors
now to go to other countries to buy
drugs because when they pay just a
tiny fraction.
This is big stuff.
This is open discussion.
Sir,
you'll be happy.
I'm about to pick up on one of your
points to ask the vice president,
which, as he points out, that you
would like to add a public option
to Obamacare.
Yeah.
The argument that he makes and other
Republicans make is that
that is going to end private
insurance.
It is not.
Well, if I ask
you the question, it
will end private insurance and
create a government takeover of
health,.
It does not.
It's only for those people who are
so poor they qualify for
Medicaid.
They can get that free
in most states except governors who
want to deny people or poor
Medicaid.
Anyone who qualifies for Medicare
would be Medicaid
would automatically be enrolled
in the public option.
The vast majority of the American
people would still not be
in that option.
Joe, you agree with Bernie Sanders
and his far left on
the manifesto.
Will it manifest you socialized
medicine?
Look. Hey, I'm not going to listen to him?
The fact of the matter is, I
beat Bernie Sanders.
Not by much.
I beat him a whole heck of a lot.
I'm not sure I'm here.
Stand facing you.
Pocahontas would have left two days
early. You lost every primary
until Super Tuesday.
You got very lucky.
Here's the deal, I got very lucky and
I got very lucky tonight as well.
And tonight I'm going to make sure
because here's the deal.
Here's the deal.
The fact is that everything he's
saying so far is simply a lie.
I'm not here to call out his lies.
Everybody knows he's a liar.
Mr President, can you let him finish, sir?
No, he don't know how to do that.
He has, you know.
You picked the wrong guy,
the wrong night at the wrong time.
You agreed with Bernie Sanders
sentimental ideas.
There is no manifesto.
No. Let him speak, Mr President.
He just lost the left.
You just lost the left.
You agreed with Bernie Sanders
on a plan about
absolutely, you
have to socialized medicine.
Mr. President..
I tell you what, he is not for
any help for people
needing health care because
he, in fact, already has
cost 10 million people their health
care that they had from their
employers because of his recession,
number one. Number two, there are 20
million people getting health care
through Obamacare now that he wants
to take it away.
He won't ever look you in the eye,
and say that's what he wants to do,
take it away.
I want to give better health care at
a much lower price because
Obamacare doesn't work I've already fixed it to and extent.
He has never offered a plan.He has
never done a single thing.
Gentlemen, you realize you're both
speaking at the same time.
Let the presidents go ahead, sir.
Obamacare is no good.
We made it better and I had a choice
to make very early on.
We took away the individual mandate.
We guarantee preexisting conditions,
but took away the individual
mandate.
Listen, this is the way it is, and
that destroyed that they
shouldn't even call it Obamacare.
Then I had a choice to make.
Do I let my people run it really
well?
Or badly. If I run it badly, they'll
probably blame him.
But they'll blame me. But more
importantly, it would help people.
OK. I said you got to run it so
well. That's when I just had a
meeting with them. They said the
problem is, no matter how well you
run Obamacare, it's
a disaster.
It's too expensive and
too high that it doesn't work so we
do want
to get rid of it?
I understand that stuff, but I have
to give you roughly equal time.
Please let the vice president
talk.
He has no plan for health
care.
He sends out wishful
thinking. He has executive orders,
that have no power.
He hasn't lowered drug costs for
anybody. He's been promising a
health care plan since he got
elected. He has none.
Like almost everything else he talks
about. He does not
have a plan.
He doesn't have a plan.
And the fact is, this man doesn't
know what he's talking about.
I have one final question for you
here, Mr. Vice President.
If Senate Republicans...we
were talking recently about the
Supreme Court here, if Senate
Republicans go ahead
and confirm Justice Barrett,
there has been talk about ending the
filibuster or even packing
the court, adding to the nine
justices there.
You'll call this a distraction by
the president, but in fact, it
wasn't brought up by the president.
It was brought up by some of your
Democratic colleagues in
Congress. So my question to you, as
you have refused in the past to talk
about it, are you willing to tell
the American people tonight whether
or not you will support either
ending the filibuster or
packing the court?
Whateve position I take in that,
that will become the issue.
The issue is the American people
should speak.
You should go out and vote.
You're in voting now.
Vote and let your senators know how
strongly you feel.
Vote now going to pack to make sure
you, in fact, let people know,
your senators.
Why won't he answer the question?
I'm not going to answer the question
because, the question
the question is yes.
Is the right. I still left.
Will you shut up man?
All right, gentlemen.
We have ended this segment.
We're gonna move on to the second
segment.
It was really a productive segment
wasn't it.
Keep yapping.
And the people understand Joe.
for forty seven years, you've done
nothing then.
All right.
The second subject is COVID
19, which is an awfully serious
subject. So.
Let's try to be serious about it.
We have had more than seven million
cases of coronavirus
in the United States and more than
two hundred thousand people
have died. Even after
we produce a vaccine,
experts say that it could be months
or even years before
we come back to anything
approaching normal.
My question for both of you is,
based on what you have said
and done so far and what
you have said you would do starting
in 2021.
Why should the American people trust
you more than your opponent
to deal with this public
health crisis going forward in this
case?
The question goes to you first, sir.
Two minutes uninterrupted.
Good luck.
Two hundred thousand dead, as you
said, over seven million infected
the United States.
We, in fact, have
five percent or four percent of the
world's population, 20 percent
of the deaths, 40000
people a day are contracting
COVID.
In addition to that, about between
750 and a thousand people there
died when he was presented with
that number, he said, it is what
it is.
Well, it is what it is because you
are who you are.
That's why it is.
The president has no
plan.
He hasn't laid out anything.
He knew all the way back in February
how serious this crisis was.
He knew it was a deadly disease.
What did he do?
He's on tape, is acknowledging he
knew it. He said he didn't tell us
or give people a warning of it
because he didn't want to panic the
American people.
You don't panic.
He panicked.
In addition to that, what did he do?
He went in and he...
We were insisting that the Chinese,
the people we had on the ground in
China should be able to go to Wuhan
and determine for themselves how
dangerous this was.
He did not even ask Xi to
do that. He told us what a great
job Xi was doing.
He said we owe him a debt of
gratitude for being so
transparent with us.
And what did he do then?
He then did nothing.
He waited and waited and waited.
He still doesn't have a plan.
I laid out back in March
exactly what we should be doing.
And I laid out again in July
what we should be doing.
We should be providing all the
protective gear possible, we should
be providing the money the House has
passed in order to be able to
go out and get people
the help they need to keep their
businesses open, open schools that
cost a lot of money.
You should get out of your bunker
and get out of the sand trap
in your golf course and go in the
Oval Office and bring together the
Democrats, Republicans and fund
what needs to be done now to save
lives.
You have two minutes sir.
So
if we would have listened to you,
the country would have been left
wide open.
Millions of people would have died,
not 200000.
And one person is too much.
It's China's fault.
It should have never happened.
They stopped it from going in, but
it was China's fault.
And by the way, when you talk about
numbers, you don't know how many
people died in China.
You don't know how many people died
in Russia. You don't know how many
people died in India.
They don't exactly give you a
straight count, just so you
understand.
But if you look at what we've done,
I closed it and you said he's
xenophobic, he's a racist and he's
xenophobic because you don't think
you should have closed our country
and, wait a minute.
You didn't think we should have
closed our country because you
thought it was too.
It was terrible.
You wouldn't have closed it for
another two months.
By my doing it early.
In fact, Dr. Fauci said President
Trump saved thousands of
lives. Many of you, a Democrat
governors, said President
Trump did a phenomenal job.
We worked with the governor.
Oh, really? Go take a look.
The governors said I did a
phenomenal job.
Most of them said that, in fact,
people that would not be necessarily
on my side said that
President Trump did a phenomenal
job. We did.
We got the gowns.
We got the masks.
We made the ventilators.
You wouldn't have made ventilators.
And now we're weeks away from a
vaccine.
We're doing therapeutics already.
Fewer people are dying when they get
sick. Far fewer people are dying.
We've done a great job.
The only thing I haven't done a good
job. And that's because of the fake
news. No matter what you say to him,
they give you a bad press on.
It's just fake news.
They give you good press.
They give me bad press because
that's the way it is, unfortunately.
But let me just tell you something.
I don't care. I've gotten used to
it. But I'll tell you, Joe, you
could never have done the job that
we did. You don't have it in your
blood. You could have never done
that Joe.
I know how to do the job.
I know how to get the job done.
You didn't do very well in swine
flu, H1N1.
You were a disaster.
Your own Chief of Staff said you were a
disaster.
Fourteen thousand people died.
Not 200000. There was no economic recession.
Sir, you've made a point, let him answer.
And there was no one.
There's no we didn't shut down the
economy.
This is his economy has been.
He's shut down.
The reason it's shut down is
because, look, you folks
at home, how many you get up this
morning and had an empty chair
at the kitchen table because someone
died of COVID.
How many of you are in a situation
where you lost her mom or dad
and you couldn't even speak to them,
you had a nurse holding a phone up
so you could, in fact, say goodbye.
You would have lost far more people. You'd have been months late.
His own CDC director says
we could lose as many as another
200000 people between now
and the end of the year.
And he held it. He said if we just
wear a mask, we can save half
those numbers.
Just just a mask.
And by the way, in terms of
the whole notion of a vaccine,
we're for a vaccine, but we don't
trust him at all.
Or do you? I know you don't.
Well, we trust as a scientist.
You don't trust Johnson & Johnson,
Pfizer.
Gentlemen, let me move on to
questions about the future, because
you both have touched on.
One of the, two of the questions I'm
going to ask to focusing
on the future first, President
Trump, you have repeatedly
either contradicted or been at odds
with some of your government's own
top scientists.
The week before last, the head
of the Centers for Disease Control,
Dr. Redfield, said it would be
summer before the vaccine
would become generally available
to the public.
You said that he was confused
and mistaken. Those were your two
words.
But, Dr. Slaoui, the
head of your Operation Warp Speed
has said exactly the same thing.
Are they both wrong?
Well, I've spoken to the companies
and we can have it a lot sooner.
It's a very political thing because
people like this would rather make
it political than save lives.
It is a very political thing.
I've spoken to Pfizer has spoken
to all of the people that you have
to speak to. We have great Moderna,
Johnson and Johnson and others.
They can go faster than that by a
lot. It's become very political,
because the left or I don't know..
So you're suggesting that your head of your Operation Warp Speed, Dr
Slaoui...
I disagree with him.
No, I disagree with both of them.
And he didn't say that.
He said it could be there, but it
could also be much.
And I had him in my office studio.
He talked about the summer, sir,
before it's generally available to
us.
He said it's a possibility that
we'll have the answer
before November 1st.
But will it be generally available?
Well, we're going to deliver it
right away. We have the military all
set up. Logistically, they're all
set up.
We have our military that delivers
soldiers and they can do two hundred
thousand a day.
This is the same man who
said that by
Easter, this would be gone away
by the warm weather.
It'd be gone. Miraculously, it's
like a miracle.
And by the way, maybe could inject
some bleach in your arm and that
would take care of it.
That was said sarcastically and you know that.
So here's the deal.
This man is talking about a vaccine.
Every serious, every
serious company is talking about
maybe having the vaccine
done by the end of the year.
But the distribution of that vaccine
will not occur until sometime
beginning or the middle of next year
to get it out.
If we get the vaccine and pray
God we will, pray God we will.
We, Mr. Vice President, want to pick
up on that. I want to pick
up on this question, though.
You say the public can trust
the scientists, but they can't trust
President Trump, in fact.
You said that again tonight.
Your running mate, Senator Harris,
goes further, saying the public
health experts, quote, will be
muzzled, will be suppressed.
Given the fact that polls already
show that people
are concerned about the vaccine and
are reluctant to take it.
Are you and your running mate,
Senator Harris, contributing to that
fear?
No more than the question you just
asked him. You pointed out
he puts pressure and disagrees
with his own scientists.
But you're saying
and senator Harris are saying that you can't trust the scientists?
Well, no. No, you can trust the
scientists.
She didn't say that.
She said that public health experts,
quote, will be muzzled, will be
suppressed.
Well, that's what he's going to try
to do. But there's millions of
scientists and there's thousands of
scientists out there like here at
this great hospital that don't
work for him.
Their job doesn't depend on him.
That's not there are the people
there.
According to the scientists that are
in charge, they will have the
vaccine very soon.
Do you believe for a moment
what he's telling you in light of
all the lies he's told you about,
the whole issue relating to COVID.
He's still hasn't even acknowledged
that he knew this was happening,
knew how dangerous are going to be
back in February.
And he didn't even tell you
he's on record as saying that
he panicked or he just looked at the
stock market. One of the two,
because guess what?
A lot of people died and
a lot more are going to die unless
he gets a lot smarter a lot sooner.
Did you use the word smart?
So you said you went to Delaware
State, but you forgot the name of
your college.
You didn't go to Delaware State, you
graduated.
Either the lowest or almost the
lowest in your class.
Don't ever use the word smart with
me. Don't ever use that word.
Because you know what?
There's nothing smart about you,
Joe. 47 years you've done nothing.
Let me just tell you something, Joe.
No. If you would have had
the charge of what I was
put through, I had to close the
greatest economy in the history of
our country. And by the way, now
it's being built again.
So we're going after the economy in
the next segment, sir.
It's going up fast.
OK.
And when it comes to how the virus
has been handled so far,
the two of you have taken very
different approaches.
And this is going to affect how
the virus is handled going forward
by whichever of you ends up
becoming the next president.
I want to quickly go through several
of those reopenings.
Vice President Biden, you have been
much more reluctant than President
Trump about reopening
the economy and schools.
Why, sir?
Because he doesn't have a plan.
If I were running, I knew what the
plan is.
You've got to provide these
businesses the ability to have the
money to be able to reopen with the
PPE as well as with
sanitation they need.
You have to provide it.
Will, he just just shush for a
minute.
By the way, Nancy Pelosi and
Schumer. They have a plan.
He won't even meet with them.
The Republicans won't meet on the
Senate. But he had he sits he
sits on his golf course.
What about this question of
reopenings?
Well he wants to shut down this
country.
And I want to keep it open.
Let me shut you down for a second
Joe, just for one second.
We want to he wants to shut down
the country. We just went through
it. We had to because we didn't know
anything about the disease.
Now we found that elderly people
with heart problems and diabetes
and different problems are very,
very vulnerable. We learned a lot.
Young children aren't.
Even younger people aren't.
We've learned a lot.
But he wants to shut it down.
More people will be hurt
by continuing.
If you look at Pennsylvania, if you
look at certain states that have
been shut down, they have Democrat
governors. All one of the reasons
is shut down is because they want to
keep it shut down until after the
election on November 3rd because
it's a political thing. Those states are not doing well, which are shut
down.
I want to move onto another subject.
President Trump, you have
begun to increasingly question the effectiveness
of masks as a disease preventer.
And in fact, recently you have cited
the issue of of waiters
touching their mouths and touching
plates.
Are you questioning the
effectiveness of masks?
No, I think masks are OK, you
have to understand, if you look I
mean, I have a mask right here.
I put a mask on if, you know,
when I think I need it tonight as
an example, everybody's had a test
and you've had social distancing
and all of the things that you have
to. But I wear masks when needed.
When needed. I wear a mask.
I don't have I don't wear masks like
him. Every time you see him, he's
got a mask. He could be speaking
200 feet away from it.
He shows up with the biggest mask
I've ever seen.
Vice President Biden.
Go ahead, sir.
Look, the way to open businesses
is giving them the wherewithal to be
able open.
We provided money the economy...
I was asking about masks.
Well, mask, mask make a big
difference. His own head of the CDC
said if we just wore masks between
now, if everybody wore masks
and social distanced between now and
January, we'd probably save up to a
hundred thousand lives.
It matters.
And they've all since said opposite.
No serious person said the opposite.
I want to ask you about one last
subject, because your different
approach has even affected the way
that you have campaigned.
President Trump, you're holding
large rallies with crowds
packed together. Thousands of people
outside.
Outside. Yes, sir.
A great Vice President
Biden. You are holding much smaller
events.
Because nobody will show up.
Nobody
shows up to his.
All right. In any case, why are you
holding the big rallies?
Why you not?
You go first, sir.
Because people want to hear what
I have to say.
Are you not worried about spreading disease?
I mean, you know, is the
president and I have 25, 35000
people show up at airports.
We use airports.
You're not worried about.
We have a lot of people.
Well, so far, we have had no problem
whatsoever. It's outside.
That's a big difference, according
to the experts.
We do them outside.
We have tremendous crowds,
as you see.
I mean, every.
And literally on 24 hours notice.
And Joe does the circles and has
three people someplace.
Oh, God.
By the way, just to decide to
run the last four big rallies he
has.
And a reporter came up to him to ask
him a question. He said, no, no, no.
Stand back.
Put on your mask.
Put on a mask.
Have you been tested?
I'm way, way far away from those
other people.
That's what he said.
I can't I'm going to be OK.
He now worried about you.
He's not worried about the people
out there breathing one.
We've had no negativity now,
no negative effect.
We've had no negative effect.
And we've had 35, 40 thousand people
at these rallies.
Yeah, let's quickly finish up
because I want to move on to our
next subject.
Yes, I would.
He's been totally irresponsible, the
way in which he has handled
the social distancing and people
wearing masks basically encouraged
him not to.
And he's a fool on this.
If you could get the crowds, you
would have done the same thing.
But you can't. Nobody cares.
Gentlemen, can we move on to the
economy?
The economy is,
I think it's fair to say, recovering
faster than expected from the
shutdown in the
second quarter. The unemployment
rate fell to eight point four
percent last month.
The Federal Reserve says the hit
to growth, which is going to be
there, is not going to be nearly as
big as they had expected.
President Trump, you say we are in a
v shaped recovery.
Vice President Biden, you say it's
more of a K shape.
What difference does that
mean to the American
people in terms of the economy,
President Trump, in this segment,
you'll go first.
So we built the greatest economy in
history. We closed it down because
of the China plague.
When the plague came in, we closed
it down, which was very hard
psychologically to do.
He didn't think we should close it
down and he was wrong again.
Two million people would be dead now
instead of still.
Two hundred and four thousand people
is too much. One person is too much.
Should never happen from China.
But what happened is we closed
it down and now we're reopening and
we're doing record business.
We had ten point four million people
in a four month period that we've
put back into the workforce.
That's a record the likes of which
nobody's ever seen before.
And he wants to close down the he
will shut it down again.
He will destroy this country.
You know, a lot of people between
drugs and alcohol and depression,
when you start shutting it down, you
take a look at what's happening at
some of your Democrat run states
where they have these tough
shutdowns.
And I'm telling you, it's because
they don't want to open it.
One of them came out last week.
You saw that?
Oh, we're going to open up in
November 9th, why November 9th?
Because it's after the election.
They think they're hurting us by
keeping them closed.
They're hurting people.
People know what to do.
They can social distance.
They can wash their hands.
They can wear masks.
They can do whatever they want.
But they got to open these states
up. When you look at North Carolina,
when you look and these governors
are under siege, Pennsylvania,
Michigan and a couple of others,
you got to open these states up.
It's not fair.
You're talking about almost it's
like being in prison and you look at
what's going on with divorce.
Look at what's going on with
alcoholism and drugs.
It's a very, very sad thing.
And he'll close down the whole
country. This guy will close down
the whole country and destroy our
country.
Our country is coming back
incredibly well, setting records
as it does it.
We don't need somebody to come in
and say, let's shut it down.
All right. Your two minutes, sir.
We're now moved to you,
as I as I said, posing the question.
The president says it's a V shaped
recovery. You say it's a K shaped
recovery.
What's the difference?
Difference is, millionaires
and billionaires like him in the
middle of COVID crisis have
done very well.
And other billionaires have
made another 300 billion dollars
because of his profligate tax
proposal. And he only focuses
on the market.
But you folks at home, you folks
living in Scranton and Claremont and
all the small towns and
Working-Class towns in America, how
are you doing? This guy paid a
total of seven hundred fifty dollars
in taxes. Any mayor?
I understand you've agreed to the
two minutes, so please let him have
it.
Do I get my time back?
The fact is that he is in fact
worked on this in a way that he's
going to be the first president
United States to leave office
having fewer jobs in his
administration than when he became
president.
Fewer jobs than when he became
president. First one in American
history.
Secondly, the people who have
lost their jobs are those people
who have been on the front lines.
Those people who have been saving
our lives. Those people who have
been out there dying.
People who weren't putting
themselves in a way to make sure
that we could all try to make it.
And the idea that he is insisting
that we can go forward and
open when you have almost
half the states in America with a
significant increase in COVID
deaths and covered cases
in the United States, America.
And he wants to open it up more.
Why does he want to open it up?
Why doesn't he take care of America?
You can't fix the economy
until you fix the COVID crisis.
And he has no intention of doing
anything about making it better for
you all at home in terms
of your health and your safety.
Schools.
Why aren't schools open?
Because it costs a lot of money to
open safely.
You know, they were going to give
his administration here to give the
teachers and school students mask.
Then he decided, no, couldn't do
that because it's not a national
emergency.
Not a national emergency.
They've done nothing to help small
businesses.
Nothing. They're closing.
One in six is now gone.
He ought to get on the job
and take care of the needs of the
American people so we can open
safe.
Your time is up, sir.
Do I get to respond to that.
Well, you both had two minutes, sir.
Excuse me. He made a statement.
People want their schools...
no. People want their schools open.
They don't want to be shut down.
They don't want their state shut
down. They want their restaurants.
I look at New York.
It's so sad what's happening in New
York. It's almost like a ghost town.
And I'm not sure it can ever recover
what they've done in New York.
People want their places open.
They want to get back to their lives.
They'll be careful.
But they want their schools open.
I'm the one that brought
back football. By the way, I brought
back big 10 football.
It was me.
And I'm very happy to do it.
And the people of Ohio are very
proud of me. [unclear]
So, gentlemen, we're going to get to
your economic plans going forward
in a moment. But first, Mr.
President, as you well know, there's
a new report that in 2016,
the year you were elected president
and 2017, your
first year as president, that you
paid 750
dollars a year in federal
income tax each of those
years. I
know that you pay a lot of
other taxes, but I'm asking you the
specific question.
Is it true that you paid 750
dollars in federal
income taxes each of those two years?
I paid millions of dollars
in taxes, millions of dollars
of income tax.
And let me just tell you, there
was a story in one of the papers.
Show us your tax returns.
I paid thirty eight million
dollars one year.
I paid 27 million dollars in tax
one year. I went,
you'll see it as soon as it's
finished. You'll see it.
You know, if you wanted to go to the
Board of Elections, there's one
hundred and eighteen page or so
report that says everything
I have, every bank I have, I'm
totally under leveraged because the
assets are extremely good
and we have a very we have...
I built our....
Mr. President, I'm asking you a
specific question.
Will you tell us how much you
paid in federal income taxes
in 2016 and 2017?
Millions of dollars.
You paid millions of dollars.
Not 750?
Millions of dollars,
and you'll get to see it ...and
you'll get to see it.
But let me tell you, Chris, let
me just tell you something
it was the tax laws, I don't want to
pay tax.
Before I came here, I was
a private developer.
I was a private business people.
Like every other private person,
unless they're stupid, they go
through the laws and that's what it
is.
He passed a tax bill that
gave us all these privileges for
depreciation and for
tax credits.
We built the building and we get tax
credits like the hotel on
Pennsylvania Avenue.
You get a massive which, by the way,
was given to me by the Obama
administration, if you can believe
that.
Now, the men got fire out right
after that happened, but I started
inviting you to respond.
Yeah, I do want to respond.
Look, the tax code that
made him put
him in a position that he pays less
tax than a schoolteacher
make the money a school
teacher makes is because of
him take. He says he's smart because
he can take advantage of the tax
code and he does take advantage
of a tax cut. That's why I'm going
to eliminate the Trump tax cuts
and we're going to rack and
eliminate those taxes and
make sure that we invest in the
people who, in fact, need to help
people out there need help.
But why do you guys do it over the
last 25 years?
Because we do it because
you are president screwing things
up. You are a senator and you're the
worst president in America has ever
had job.
Let me just say, Joe, I've done more
in in 47
months. I've done more than you've
done in 47 years, Joe.
We've done things that you never
even thought of, including mixing
the broken military that you gave
me, taking care of you.
Mr. President, we're talking about
the economy. I'd like to ask you
about your plans going forward,
because, Mr. Vice President, your
economic plan
if you were to be elected president
focuses a lot on big government, big
taxes, big spending.
I want to focus first on the taxes.
You proposed more than four
trillion dollars over a decade and
new taxes on
individuals making more than four
hundred thousand dollars a year and
on corporations.
President Trump says that that kind
of increase in taxes
is going to hurt the economy
as it's just coming out of a
recession.
Well, just take a look at what is
the analysis been done by
Wall Street firms.
Points out that might
my economic plan would create seven
million more jobs than his in four
years, number one.
And number two, it would create
an additional one trillion dollars
in economic growth because it would
be about buying
American, that we have to, we're
gonna make the federal government
spend six hundred billion dollars
a year on everything from ships
to steel to buildings
and the like.
And under my proposal, we're going
to make sure that every penny of
that has to be made by
a company.
But respectfully, sir, I'm talking about taxes,
not spending.
Well, by the way, I'm going to
eliminate significant number the tax
I know make the, the, the
corporate tax 28 percent.
It shouldn't be 21 percent.
You have 19 companies,
91 companies, federal.
I mean, in the Fortune 500
who don't pay a single penny in tax,
making billions of dollars.
Why didn't you do it before when you were Vice President for Obama?
Because you in fact, passed that,
that we feel like tax repro.
Get it done. And, you know,.
It happened and you got it down.
Economy boom.
It's never been the economy of
president.
Let me.
Mr President, let me pick up on
that. You would continue
your free market approach.
Lower taxes, more deregulation.
Correct.
Not lower taxes of American people.
But. But in Obama's, you
talk about the economy booming.
It turns out that in Obama's final
three years as president,
more jobs were created, a million
and a half more jobs than
in the first three years of your
presidency.
They had the slowest recovery
since 19..., economic recovery
since 1929.
It was the slowest recovery.
Also, they took over something
that was down here. All you had to
do is turn on the lights and you
pick up a lot.
But they had the slowest economic
recovery since 1929.
Let me talk about the stock market.
When the stock market goes up, that
means jobs.
It also means 401K's,
if you got in, if you ever became
president with your ideas, you want
to terminate my tax, my taxes.
I'll tell you what you'll lose half
of the companies that have poured in
here will leave.
And plenty of companies that are
already here, they'll largely other
places have they will leave and you
will have a depression,.
The likes of which you've never
seen.
Look, we inherited
the worst recession short of a
depression in American history.
I was asked to bring it back.
We were able to have an economic
recovery that created the jobs
you're talking about.
We handed him a booming economy.
He blew it.
It was it. He looing he blew
us in booming.
It was well, it was the week on the
street. There is a certain way.
Why is it.
Is it fair to say he blew it when -.
And when I go with it.
When there was record low
unemployment before Covid?
Yeah. Because what he did even
before Covid manufacturing went
in the hole.
Manufacturing went in a hole.
Excuse me, Swabia to Chris.
Number three, they said you would
take it. Now you're number two.
No,.
Chris. Chris.
They said it would is a miracle
to bring back manufacturing.
I brought back 700,000 jobs.
They brought back nothing.
They gave up on manufacturing.
We are now standard fare.
I'm the guy that told, like on one
million back. All right.
But we brought back.
I was asked to bring back Chrysler
and General Motors brought them back
right here in the state of Ohio, in
Michigan. He blew it.
They're gone. He blew it.
And in fact -
They're going hio had the best year
it's ever had last year.
Michigan had the best year they've
ever had. It's not your.
Companies come in from Germany, from
John and I went to Michigan.
It went to Ohio, not high.
And they didn't tell me to do.
Mr. Vice President go ahead.
And so you take a look at what
he's actually done.
He's done very little.
His trade deals are the same way.
He talks about these great trade
deals. You know, he talks about the
art of the deal.
China's made perfected the art of
the steal.
We have a higher deficit with China
now than we did before.
We have the highest deficit, trade
deficit, China with Mexico on
steroids. El-Naggar sent in China
eight.
Your lunch, Joe.
And no wonder your son goes in and
he takes out, what,
he takes out billions of dollars,
takes out billions of dollars to
manage. He makes millions of dollars
and also said while we're at it,
why is it just out of curiosity,
the mayor of Moscow's wife,
gave you son three and a half
million dollars as what did he do to
deserve it?
That you do with Barazan
of deserve a one hundred eighty
three thousand dollars on that last
and an answer, if not none of that
is true is really hard.
Now the president is totally
president plays totally discredited,
totally discredited.
And by the way.
Well, we I.
A million dollars.
Yeah. Mr. Vice.
He got three dollars.
That is not true.
Really? Mr. President, I miss you.
It's an it's an open discussion.
Please. How about you?
It's a fact.
Well, you have raised an issue
like there's been times rather than
answer discredited burglars are
here 183 Thalia's a month
with no experience and energy.
Now, GI Song did nothing wrong.
And in I think you did.
Mr. Presley died of cancer.
He didn't even let me answer because
he knows I have the truth.
His position has been totally,
thoroughly discredited.
And good idea by everybody.
Well, by the media.
By our allies.
By the World Bank.
By everyone has discredited.
Matter of fact, matter of fact, has
been the president who tells us that
he lied under oath.
So let me ask you this.
Oh, no doubt. Go ahead, Mr..
I'm listening to you. People under
you get three and a half testify on
a scale test.
He testified under oath and his
administration said, I did my
job and I did it very well.
I longer know who they are.
Every war. I'll give you the list of
the people who test.
Go ahead, sir.
You've already fired most of them
because they didn't do a job.
Some people don't. Well, here's it
with you guys.
Wait a minute. You get the final
word, Millo.
It's hard to get any word in with
this clown. Excuse me.
This. Let me just say it.
No, no, no. Mr. President.
Running for president.
No. That is simply why did I
deserve three and a half million
from Moscow?
Look, here's the deal.
We want to talk about families
and ethics.
I don't want to do that.
I mean, his family.
We could talk about all night.
His family's are his family.
Let him. Have already lost a fortune
by coming down and helping out with
governor. Had said that.
I said Mr. President, such a single
one of them was this is not about my
family or his family.
It's about your family.
Feeding American and a half million
doesn't. That's not true.
He doesn't want to talk about
what you need.
You, the American people.
It's about you.
That's what we're talking about.
All right.
That's the end of the segment we're
we're moving on.
It didn't take that vice president.
No. Can I be honest.
It's a very important question.
Try to be honest. He stood up. No. He stood up.
The answer of the question is no. And he threatened
Ukraine. No, sir.
With a billion, sir, dollars, you've
got.
That is absolutely not true. You know, what. Stop. When you're way
not off route, you're out doing it.
You're going to have a true.
Gentlemen. I hate to raise my voice,
but I seems to be.
Why shouldn't I be different than
the two of you?
So here's the deal.
We have
six segments, we have ended that
segment. We're going to go to the
next segment in that segment.
You each are going to have two
uninterrupted moments in those two
interrupted minutes, Mr. President.
You can say anything you want.
I've been asked a question about
race. But if you want to answer
about something else, go ahead.
But I think the
country would be better served
if we allowed both people to speak
with fewer interruptions.
I'm appealing to you, sir, to do
that. And him, too.
Well, frankly, you've been doing
more interrupting. That's right.
But he does plenty well.
Less than, sir, less than.
He does plenty.
No, less than you have.
Let's please continue on
the issue of race.
Vice President Biden, you say that
President Trump's response
to the violence in Charlottesville
three years ago when he talked
about very fine people on
both sides, was what directly
led you to
launch this run for president.
Oh, yeah sure.
President Trump, you
have often said that you believe you
have done more for black
Americans than any president, with
the possible exception
of Abraham Lincoln.
It's true. My question for the two
of you is, why should voters
trust you rather than your opponent
to deal with the race issues facing
this country over the next four
years? Vice President Biden, you
go first.
It's about equity and equality,
it's about decency.
It's about the Constitution.
And we have never walked away from
trying to require
equity for everyone, equality for
the whole of America.
But we've never accomplished it,
but we've never walked away from it
like he has done.
It is true. The reason I got in the
race is when most people close your
eyes, remember what those people
look like coming out of the fields,
carrying torches, their veins
bulging spewing,
just spewing anti-Semitic bile
and accompanied by the Ku Klux Klan.
A young woman got killed and they
asked the president what he thought
he said were very fine people
on both sides.
No president has ever said anything
like that.
It is now second, sir.
Second point I'd make to you
is that when Floyd
was when Mr. Floyd was killed,
there was a peaceful protest in
front of the White House.
What did he do?
He came out of his bunker, had the
military to use tear
gas on them so he could walk across
to a church and hold up a Bible.
And then what happened after that?
The bishop of that very church said
that it was a disgrace.
The general who was with him said
he only only ever wants to divide
people, not unite people at all.
This is a president who has used
everything as a dog whistle
to try to generate racist
hatred, racist division.
This is a man who, in fact, you talk
about helping African-Americans.
One in 1000 African-Americans
has been kille because of the cone,
the Coronavirus, and if he doesn't
do something quickly by the end of
the year, one in 500
will have been killed.
One in five hundred
African-Americans.
This man this man
is the is the savior of
African-Americans?
This man cares at all?
This man's done virtually nothing.
Look, the fact is that you have to
look at what he's talking about.
You have to look at what he did.
And what he did has been disastrous
for the African-American community.
So, President Trump, you have
two minutes.
Why should Americans
trust you over your opponent
to deal with race.
He did a crime bill, 1994,
where you call them super predators.
African-Americans are super
predators and they've never
forgotten it. They've never
forgotten it Joe. I never said.
No, sir. It's his two minutes.
So you did that and they call you a
super predator.
And I'm letting people out of jail.
Now that you have treated the
African-American population
community, you have treated the
black community about as bad
as anybody in this country.
You did the ninety.
And that's why if you look at the
polls, I'm doing better than any
Republican has done in a long time
because they saw what you did.
You call them super predators
and you've called them worse than
that, because you look back at your
testimony over the years, you've
called them a lot worse than that as
far as the church is concerned.
And as far as the generals are
concerned, we just got the support
of 200, 250
military leaders and generals,
total support, law enforcement,
almost every law enforcement
group in the United States.
I have Florida.
I have Texas.
I have Ohio.
I have every excuse me,
Portland. The sheriff just came
out today and he said, I support
President Trump.
I don't think you have any law
enforcement. You can't even say the
word law enforce, because if you say
those words, you're going to lose
all of your radical left supporters.
And why aren't you saying those
words Joe? Why don't you say the
words law enforcement?
Because you know what?
If they called us in Portland, we
would put out that fire in a half
an hour. But they won't do it
because they're run by radical left
Democrats.
If you look at Chicago, if you
look at any place you want to look,
Seattle, they heard we were coming
in the following day and they put up
their hands and we got back Seattle,
Minneapolis.
We got it back, Joe, because
we believe in law and order.
But you don't.
The top ten cities and just about
the top 40 cities are
run by Democrats, in many
cases, radical left.
And they've got you wrapped around
their finger, Joe, to a point where
you don't want to say anything about
law and order.
And I'll tell you what the people of
this country want and demand
law and order. And you're afraid to
even say it.
All right. I want to I want to
return to the question of race.
Vice President Biden, after the
grand jury and the Briona Taylor
case decided not to charge
any of the police with homicide.
You said it raises the question,
quote, whether justice
could be equally applied in America.
Do you believe that there is
a separate but unequal
system of justice for blacks
in this country?
Yes, there is. There's systemic. There's
systemic injustice in this
country, in education and work
and in in law enforcement
and the way in which it's enforced.
But, look, the vast majority of
police officers are good, decent,
honorable men and women.
They risk their lives every day to
take care of us.
But there are some bad apples.
And when they occur, when they find
them, they have to be sorted out.
They have to be held accountable.
And what I'm going to do as
President of the United States is
called a...
Together, an entire group
of people at the White House, from
everything from a civil rights
groups to the police officers, the
police chiefs, and we're going to
work this out.
We're going to work this out, so we
change the way in which we have more
transparency when these
things happen.
These cops aren't happy to see what
happened to George Floyd.
These cops aren't happy to see what
happened to Breonna Taylor.
Most don't like it.
But we have to have a system where
people are held accountable when,
and by the way.
Violence in response is never
appropriate.
Never appropriate.
Peaceful protest is, violence
is never appropriate.
Alright.
What is peaceful protest when they
run through the middle of the town
and burn down your stores
and kill people all over the place?
President Trump. That is not peaceful.
No it's not but you say it is.
I did not say.
President Trump, I'd like to continue with
the issue of race. I promise we're
gonna get to the issue of law and
order in a moment.
This month, your administration
directed federal agencies to end
racial sensitivity training
that addresses white privilege
or critical race theory.
Why did you decide to do
that? To end racial sensitivity
training? And do you
believe that there is systemic
racism in this country, sir?
I ended it because it's racist.
I ended it because a lot of people
were complaining that they were
asked to do things that were
absolutely insane,
that it was a radical
revolution that was taking place
in our military, in
our schools all
over the place.
And you know it. And so does
everybody else.
Right. And he would know what is
radical about racial sensitivity
training, sir?
If you are a certain person, you
had no status in life.
It was sort of a reversal.
And if you look at the people, we
were paying people hundreds of
thousands of dollars to teach
very bad ideas and frankly,
very sick ideas and, and really,
they were teaching people to hate
our country.
And I'm not going to do that.
I'm not going to allow that to
happen.
We have to go back to the core
values of this country.
They were teaching people that
our country is a horrible place,
it's a racist place, and they
were teaching people to hate our
country.
And I'm not going to allow that to
happen.
Vice President Biden.
Nobody's doing that.
He's just he's racist.
You just don't know.
Here's the deal.
I know a lot more about it.
Let him finish it.
The fact is that there is
racial insensitivity, people have to
be made aware of what
other people feel like, what
what insults sthemome, what is
demeaning to them.
It's important to people know they
don't want to, many people don't
want to hurt other people's
feelings. But it makes, it makes a
big difference.
It makes a gigantic difference in
the way a child is able to grow up
and have a sense, a sense of
self-esteem.
It's a little bit like how this guy
and, and his friends looked down
on so many people and looked down
their nose on people like Irish
Catholics like me who grew up in
Scranton. They look down on people
who don't have money.
They look down on people who are
of a different faith.
They look down on people who are a
different color.
In fact, we're all Americans.
The only way we're going to bring
this country together is bring
everybody together.
There's nothing we cannot do,
if we do it together, we can
take this on and we can defeat
racism in America.
I mean, President Trump sir.
During the Obama-Biden
administration, there was tremendous
division.
There was hatred.
You look at Ferguson,
you look at you go to very many
places, look at Oakland, look what
happened in Oakland. Look what
happened in Baltimore.
Look, what happened, frankly, was
more violent than what I'm even
seeing now.
But the reason this is that
the Democrats that run these
cities, ridiculous, don't want to
talk like you about law and order,
violent crime, you still haven't
mentioned.
Are you in favor of law and order?
I'm in favor of law -.
You follow the law and order
go ask.
You asked a question a lot of law
and order. Is this law that.
Law and order with justice
where people get treated fairly.
And the fact of the matter is
violent crime is down 17
percent, 15 percent in our
administration.
All rights. It's gone up on his
watch.
Is down much more in our.
All right. When you're president,
you're going to have a man.
Mr. President, every record and the
Mr. President are gonna be very
happy. We're not going to talk about
law and. We had trouble were
Democratic-run cities.
That's exactly my question was
right.
There has been a dramatic increase
in homicides in America
this summer particularly.
And you often blame that on
Democratic mayors and Democratic
governors. But in fact, there have
been equivalent spikes
in Republican led cities like Tulsa
and Fort Worth.
So the question is, is this really a
party issue?
I think it's a party issue.
You can bring in a couple of
examples. But if you look at
Chicago, what's going on in Chicago
where 53 people
were shot and eight died.
Shot.
If you look at New York, where it's
going up like nobody's ever seen
anything, the numbers are going up.
One hundred hundred and fifty two
hundred percent crime.
It's the way it is.
It's crazy what's going on.
And he doesn't want to say law and
order because he can't because he'll
lose his radical left supporters.
And once he does that, it's over
with. But if he ever got to run
this country and they ran it the
way he would want to run it, we
would have. We want suburbs
gone, by the way.
Our suburbs would be gone.
And you would see problems like you
would known a suburb unless he took
a wrong turn.
I know somebody would not.
Oh, my God.
Go ahead. Wait.
I was raised in the suburbs.
This is not 1950.
All these dog whistles and racism
don't work anymore.
Suburbs are, by and large,
integrated.
There's many people today driving
their kids to soccer practice and or
to, black and white and
Hispanic in the same car
as there have been any time in the
past. What's what really is a threat
to the suburbs, and their safety is
his failure to deal with COVID.
They're dying in the suburbs.
His failure to deal with the
environment.
They're being flooded.
They're being burned out because
he's refusing to do any.
That's why the suburbs are in
trouble.
I do want to talk about this issue
of law and order, though.
And in the joint recommendation
that came from the Biden-Bernie
Sanders taskforce,
you talked about, quote,
"reimagining policing".
First of all, what does reimagining
policing mean?
And do you support it means
let me if I might finish the
question. What is reimagining
policing mean?
And do you support the Black Lives
Matter
call for
for community control of policing.
Look, what I support is
the police having the opportunity
to deal with the problems they face.
And I'm totally opposed to defunding
the police officers.
It's a matter of fact, police, local
police, the only one defunding in
his budget, calls for a 400 million
dollar cut in local law enforcement
assistance.
They need more assistance.
They need when they show up for a
911 call to have someone with them
as a psychologist or psychiatrist
to keep them from having to use
force and be able to talk people
down. We have to have community
policing like we had before, where
the officers get to know the people
in the communities.
That's when crime went down.
It didn't go up.
It went down.
And so we have to be.
That's not where they've talking
about. That is that's now what they
still got defunding that police.
That is not true.
He doesn't have any law support
you. He has no law enforcement
support. That's not true.
Almost nothing.
Oh, really? Who do you have?
Name one group that supports you.
Name one group that came out and
supported you.
Go ahead, think, we have time.
We don't have time to do it now.
All right.
All right. One law enforcement
group, that element
I think I'm going into. I'm going to
take back. I'm not gonna run.
And I want to get to another
subject, which is the issue of
protests in many cities
that have turned violent.
In Portland, Oregon, especially,
we had a more than 100
straight days of protests,
which I think you would agree, you
talk about peaceful protests.
Many of those turned into riots.
Mr. Vice President,
you say that people who commit
crimes should be held
accountable.
The question I have, though, is as
the Democratic nominee and earlier
tonight, you said that you are the
Democratic Party right now.
Have you ever called the Democratic
mayor of Portland or the Democratic
governor of Oregon and said,
hey, you've got to stop this.
Bring in the National Guard, do
whatever it takes.
But you'd stop.
But days and months of violence
in Portland.
I don't hold public office now.
I am a former vice president.
I've made it clear.
I've made it clear in my public
statements that the violence should
be prosecuted.
It should be prosecuted in anyone
who commits it.
But you've never called for the
people.
That's the leader. Excuse me, sir.
You had never called for the leaders
in Portland and
in Oregon to call as running
the National Guard and knock off
100 days of riots.
They can, in fact, take care
of it if you just stay out of the
way. OK.
Oh, really? Here.
Oh, really? There's no
way to get the killer
of a young man in the middle of the
street and they shot him three
as a resident, Portland wouldn't
do anything and have the U.S.
Marshals. He took care of business.
Go ahead, sir.
And by the way, you know, his own
former spokesperson said, you
know, riots and chaos
and violence helped his cause.
That's what this is all about.
I don't know who said that.
I do.
Who?
I think Kellyanne Conway.
I don't think she said that.
She she said that.
And so here's the thing.
But here's the point is
that that's what he is, jeeps
trying to rile everything up.
He doesn't want to calm things down
instead of going in and talking
to people and saying, let's get
everybody together, figure out how
to deal with this.
What's he do?
He just pours gasoline in the fire
constantly and every single solitary
time.
OK. And to end this,
button up this segment.
I'm going to give you a minute to
answer, sir.
You have repeatedly criticized.
The answer. Has not.
You have stated lately, you know,
you've been talking. You made a
statement. I'm asking you.
I would love to know you are.
I'd love to know if you want to
switch seats.
We could very quickly he can do
that.
We'd send in the national data would
be over. There'd be no problem.
But they don't want to accept the
National Guard.
You have repeatedly criticized
the the vice presideextermot
specifically calling out Antifa
and other left wing extremist
groups.
But are you willing tonight
to condemn white supremacists
and militia groups and
to say that they need
to stand down and not add
to the violence and a number of
these cities, as we saw in Kenosha,
and as we've seen in Portland.
Sure I'm willing do
it.
Go ahead sir.
I would say almost everything I
see is from the left wing, not
from the right wing.
So what do you what do you what are
you saying? I'm willing to do
anything I want to see peace and do
it, sir. I.
Do it, say it.
You want to call them?
What do you want to call them? Give
me a name.
Give me white supremacists.
And would you like me to condemn
about process?
I'm right. Proud Booys.
Stand back and stand by.
But I'll tell you what.
I'll tell you what somebody has got
to do something about antifa and
the left, because this is not a
right wing problem.
Is this is a left.
I direct this as a left
wing guy like white supremacists.
Antifa is an idea, not an
organization. You've got to be
kidding not English.
That's what is tonight, FBI.
His FBI director might say.
Well, that I know. I know how that
worked. Done, sir.
We're moving on to the next flight,
ICRA that has there is not an idea
of Antifa is bad.
Everyone in your administration
tells you the truth is a bad is, has
a bad idea.
And I tell you what, I have no idea.
Antifia is a dangerous.
Aand bIdenll right, gentlemen, we're
now moving on to the Trump records.
And Phil, overthrow you.
Mr. President.
I'm going to ask a question when
the president seeks a second term,
it is generally a referendum on
his record.
But Vice President Biden, you like
to quote one of your dad's sayings,
which is, don't compare me to the
almighty, compare me to
the alternative.
And in this case, are you are the
alternative, looking
at both of your records.
I'm going to ask each of you, why
should voters elect you president
over your opponent in this segment,
President Trump, you go first two
minutes.
Because there has never been
an administration or a president
who has done more than I've done
in a period of three and a half
years. And that's despite the
impeachment hoax.
And you saw what happened today with
Hillary Clinton, where it was a
whole big con job.
But despite going through all of
these things, we had a fight both
flanks and behind me, you know, and
above. There has never been an
administration that's done what
I've done.
The greatest before covid came in
the greatest economy in history,
lowest employee unemployment
numbers. Everything was good.
Everything was going.
And by the way, there was unity
going to happen.
People were calling me for the first
time in years.
They were calling and they were
saying, it's time, maybe.
And then what happened?
We got hit, but now we're building
it back up again.
A rebuilding of the military,
including Space orce and all of the
other things, a fixing
of the V.A.,
which was a mess under him.
Three hundred eight thousand people
died because they didn't have proper
health care. It was a mess.
And we now got a 91 percent
approval rating at the V.A.
Our vets, we take care of our vets,
but we've rebuilt our military.
The job that we've done and I'll
take some some people say maybe the
most important by the end of the
first term, I'll have approximately
300 federal judges
and court of appeals judges, 300
and hopefully three great
Supreme Court judges, justices.
That is a record
the likes of which very few people.
And, you know, one of the reasons I
have so many judges, because
President Obama and him left me a
hundred and twenty eight
judges to fill.
When you leave office, you don't
leave any judges.
That's like you just don't do that.
They left a hundred and twenty eight
openings.
And if I were a member of his party,
because they have a little different
philosophy, I'd say if you left
us 128 openings,
you can't be a good president.
You can't be a good vice president.
But I want to thank you because it
gives us almost it'll probably
be above that number by the end of
this term. I'm sorry.
Three hundred judges.
It's a record.
Looking at both your records, why
should voters elect you president
as opposed to president Trump you
have two minutes uninterrupted.
Under this president, we become
weaker, sicker,
poorer, more divided
and more violent.
When I was vice president,
we inherited a recession.
I was asked to fix it.
I did. We left to move a booming
economy.
And he caused a recession.
With regard to being weaker,
the fact is that I've gone head
to head with Putin and made it clear
to him we're not going to take any
of his stuff.
He's Putin's puppy.
He still refuses to even say
anything to Putin about the bounty
on the heads of American soldiers.
Your son got. No no no who three
million dollars.
And by the way, Mr. President, my
son.
Mr. President, your campaign
agreed to both sides
would get two minute answers
uninterrupted. Well, your side
agreed to it.
And why don't you observe what
your campaign agreed to as a ground
rule? Okay, sir?
He never keeps his word that I don't
know. I'm not at your side.
That was a rhetorical question.
And, you know, I had 30 seconds.
Yeah. Yeah. So I have.
All right. Go ahead.
So, thirdly,
we're poor.
The billionaires who got much,
much more wealthy by the tune
of over four, three to four hundred
billion dollars more just since
covid you in the home,
you got less.
You're in more trouble than you were
before.
In terms of being more violent.
When we were in office were 15
percent less violence in America
than there is today.
He's president of the United States.
It's on his watch.
And with regard to more divided,
the nation can't stay divided.
We can't be this way.
And speaking of my son, the way you
talk about the military, the way
you talk about there'd be losers
and being and
just being suckers.
My son was in
Iraq. He spent a year there.
He got, he got the Bronze Star.
He got the conspicuous service
medal. He was not a loser.
He was a patriot.
And the people left behind there
were heroes, really.
And I resent...
Are you talking about Hunter? Are you
talking about Hunter?
I'm talking about my son, Beau
Biden. You're talking about...
I don't know. I don't know, Beau.
I know Hunter. Hunter
got thrown out of the military.
He was thrown out, dishonorably
discharged.
That's not true. He wasn't dishonorably discharged.
For cocaine use.
And he didn't have a job until you
became vice president. Once you became Vice President...
None of that is true.
He made a fortune in Ukraine,
in China, in Moscow...
That is simply not true.
And various other places.
Not true. My son...
my son.
And he didn't have a job.
My son like a lot of people, like a
lot of people, you know, at home,
had a drug problem.
He's overtaken it.
He's, he's, he's fixed it.
He's worked on it.
And I'm proud of him.
But why was he given tens of
millions of dollars...
All right.
He wasn't given tens of millions,
that is totally.
Totally discredited.
You've already, already been totally
discredited.
We've already been through this.
I think the American people would
rather hear about more substantial
subjects.
Well, you know, as the moderator,
sir, I'm going to make it, you know,
a judgement call here.
Three and a half million dollars
from the Mayor of Moscow.
That is not true.
Gentlemen.
That report is totally discredited. Mitt Romney on that committee said it
wasn't worth taxpayer money. That report was written for a
political reason.
You know, I'd like to talk about
climate change.
So would I.
Okay.
The forest fires in the West are
raging now.
They have burned millions of acres.
They have displaced
hundreds of thousands of people.
When state officials there blamed
the fires on climate change, Mr.
President, you said, I don't think
the science knows.
Over your four years you
have pulled the U.S.
out of the Paris climate accord.
You have rolled back a number of
Obama environmental records.
What do you believe about
the science of climate change?
And what will you do in the
next four years to confront it?
I want crystal clean water
and air. I want beautiful clean
air. We have now the lowest carbon.
If you look at our numbers right
now, we are doing
phenomenally.
But I haven't destroyed our
businesses.
Our businesses aren't put out of
commission.
If you look at the Paris Accord, it
was a disaster from our standpoint.
And people are actually very
happy about what's going on because
our businesses are doing well as far
as the fires are concerned.
You need forest management.
In addition to everything else, the
forest floors are loaded up with
trees, dead trees that are years
old and they're like tinder and
leaves and everything else.
You drop a cigarette in there, the
whole forest burns down, you've got
to have forest management.
What do you believe...
What do you believe about the
science of climate change, sir?
I believe that we have to do
everything we can to have immaculate
air, immaculate water and do
whatever else we can.
That's good. You know, we're planting
a billion trees.
The billion tree project.
And it's very exciting to a lot of
people.
You believe that human pollution,
gas, greenhouse gas emissions
contributes to the global warming of
the planet.
I think a lot of things do.
But I think to an extent, yes.
I think to an extent, yes.
But I also think we have to do
better management of our forests.
Every year.
I get the call.
California is burning.
If that was cleaned.
If that were, if you had forest
management. Good.
Forest management, you wouldn't be
getting those calls, you know, in
Europe, they live their forest
cities, they call forest cities,
they maintain their forest, they
manage their fires.
I was with the head of a major
country.
It's a forest city.
He said, sir, we have trees
that are far more, they, they
ignite, much easier than California.
There shouldn't be that problem.
I spoke with the governor about it,
I'm getting along very well with the
governor, but he said, you know, at
some point you can't every
year have hundreds of thousands
of acres of land just burned
to the ground.
That's burning down because of a
lack of management.
But sir if you believe in the
science of climate change, why
have you rolled back the Obama
Clean Power Plan, which limited
carbon emissions and power plants?
Why have you relaxed...
Because it was driving energy prices
through the sky.
Why have you relaxed fuel economy
standards that are going
to create more pollution from cars
and trucks?
Not really, because what's happening
is the car is much less expensive
and it's a much safer car.
And you're talking about a tiny
difference. And then what would
happen because of the cost of the
car, you would have at least
double and triple the number of cars
purchased. We have the old slugs
out there that are 10, 12 years old.
If you did that, the car would be
safer. It would be much cheaper
by 3500 dollars.
In California they've simply ignored... .
No but you would take a lot of cars off
the market because people would be
able to afford a car.
Now.
So. And by the way, we're going to
see how that turns out.
But a lot of people agree with me.
Many people, the car has gotten
so expensive because they have
computers all over the place for
an extra little bit of
gasoline.
That's not.
And I'm okay with electric cars,
too. I think I'm all for electric
cars. I've given big incentives for
electric cars.
But what they've done in California
is just crazy.
Vice President Biden, I'd like you
to to respond to the president's
climate change record, but I also
want to ask you about the concern
you proposed two trillion dollars
in green jobs.
You talk about no limits.
Not abolishing, but new limits on
fracking.
Ending the use of fossil fuels to
generate electricity by 2035.
And zero, net emission of greenhouse
gases by 2050.
The president says a lot of
these things would tank the economy
and cost millions of jobs.
He's absolutely wrong, number one.
Number two, if in fact,
wind went out during our
administration, the Recovery Act,
I was in charge able to bring down
the cost of renewable energy
to cheaper than or as cheap as
coal and gas and
oil. Nobody is going to build
another coal
fired plant in America.
No one's going to build another oil
fired plant in America.
They're going to move to renewable
energy. Number one.
Number two, we're going to make sure
that we are able to take the federal
fleet and turn it into a fleet
that's run, and there are electric
vehicles. Making sure that we can do
that, we're gonna put five hundred
thousand charging stations and
all of the highways that we're going
to be building in the future.
We're going to build a new economy
that, in fact, is going to provide
for the ability for us to take
four million buildings and make
sure that they, in fact, are
weatherized in a way that in
fact, will they'll emit
significantly less gas
and oil because the heat will not be
going out. There's so many things
that we can do now to create
thousands and thousands of jobs.
We can get to net zero
in terms of energy production
by 2035,
not only not costing people jobs,
creating jobs, creating millions
of good paying jobs, not
for 15 bucks an hour, but
prevailing wage by having
a new infrastructure that, in fact,
is green.
And the first thing I will do, I
will rejoin the Paris Accord.
I will join the Paris Accord,
because with us out of it, look
what's happening.
It's all falling apart.
And talk about someone who has
no relationship with foreign
policy.
Brazil, the rainforest to Brazil
are being torn down, are being
ripped out. More and more
carbon is absorbed in that
rainforest and every bit of carbon
that's admitted in the United
States. Instead of doing something
about that, I would be gathering up
and making sure we had the countries
of the world coming up with 20
billion dollars, and say: "Here's 20
billion dollars.
Stop, stop
tearing down the forest.
And if you don't, then you're going
to have significant
economic consequences".
What about the argument that
President Trump basically says that
you have to balance
environmental interests and economic
interests?
And he's drawn his line.
Well, he hadn't drawn a line.
He's still, for example, make sure
that well he wants to make sure that
methane is not a problem, we can you
can now emit more methane without it
being a problem.
Methane.
This is a guy who says that you
don't have to have mileage standards
for automobiles that exist now.
This is a guy who says that
the fact that it's
all true.
And here's the deal.
He's talking about the Green New Deal.
And it's not two billion or 20
billion, as you said.
It's one hundred trillion
dollars.
Where they want to rip down
buildings and rebuild
the building. It's the dumbest most
ridiculous.
Where airplanes are out of busine
ss. Where two car systems are out, where they want to take out the cows
too. You know, that's not true either right. This is a, this is a one
hundred trillion. That's more money,
than our country could make in a
hundred years if we're going to.
Right. Let me let me ask
because I actually.
Want a minute, sir. I actually
have studied your plan, and
it includes upgrading four million
buildings, weatherizing two million
homes over four years,
building one and a half million
energy efficient homes.
So the question becomes, the
president is saying, I think some
people who support the president
would say that sounds like
it's going to cost a lot of money
and hurt the economy.
What it's going to do is going to
create thousands and millions of
jobs. Good paying jobs.
Let's let him finish, sir.
He don't know how to do that.
100 trillion dollars.
The fact is, it's going to create
millions of good paying jobs.
And these tax incentives to people,
for people to weatherize which he
wants to get get rid of, it's
going to make the economy much
safer. Look how much we're paying
now to deal with the hurricanes.
By the way, he has an answer for
hurricanes. He said maybe we should
drop a nuclear weapon on them.
They may. I never said that at all.
Yeah he did say it.
You made it up. And here's the deal.
We are going to be in a position
where we can create
hard, hard, good
jobs by making sure the environment
is clean and we all are
in better shape.
We spend billions of dollars
now, billions of dollars
on floods, hurricanes, rising
seas.
We're in real trouble.
Look what's happened just in the
Midwest with these storms that come
through and wipe out entire sections
and counties in Iowa.
They didn't happen before they are
because of global warming.
We make up 15 percent of
the world's problem.
We in fact, but the
rest of the world, we've got to get
him to come along.
That's what we have to get back
into, back into
the Paris accord.
All right, gentlemen.
Wait a minute, Chris. So why didn't he do
it for 47 years?
You were vice president.
Why didn't you get the world?
China sends up real dirt
into, Russia does, India
does, they all do.
We're supposed to be good.
And by the way, he made a couple
of statements.
The Green New Deal is 100 trillion
dollars.
Is not a bad plan.
He made a statement about the
military. He said I said something
about the military.
He and his friends made it up and
then they went with it.
I never said it.
Play it.
Go ahead. Mr. Vice President
answered his quote, his final
question.
The final question is, I can't
remember which of all his ranting.
I'm having
a little trouble myself.
But I about about
the economy and about this question
of what it's going to cost.
The economy.
I mean, the Green New Deal and the
idea of what what your enviromental
changes will do.
The Green New Deal will pay
for itself as we move forward.
We're not going to build plants
that, in fact, are great polluting
plants using used building green new
deal. Pardon me.
You support. No, I don't support the
Green New Deal.
Oh you don't. Oh, well, that's a big statement.
I support the Biden plan
that I put forward.
OK. The Biden plan, which is
different than what he calls the
radical Green New Deal.
All right, gentlemen.
Final segment, election
integrity as we meet tonight
millions of Americans
are receiving mvail-in ballots
or going to vote early.
How confident should we
be that this will be a fair
election? And what are you prepared
to do over the next five
plus weeks? Because it will not only
be to Election Day, but also
counting some ballots, mail in
ballots after Election Day.
What are you prepared to do to
reassure the American people that
the next president will be the
legitimate winner of
this election in this final segment?
Mr. Vice President, you go first.
Prepared to let people vote.
We should go to iwillvote.com,
decide how they're going to vote,
when they're going to vote and what
means by which they're going to
vote. His own homeland
security director, as well as the
FBI director, says there is no
evidence at all that mail in ballots
are a source of be manipulated
and cheating.
They said that the fact is that
there going to be millions of people
because of covid that are going to
be voting by mail in ballots like
he does, by the way, he sits behind
the resolute desk and sends his
ballot to Florida, number one.
And number two, we're going to make
sure that those people who want
to vote in person are able to vote
because enough poll watchers are
there to make sure they can socially
distance. The polls are open on time
and there are polls stay open until
the votes are counted.
And this is all about trying to
dissuade people from voting
because he's trying to confuse
to scare people into thinking that
it's not can be legitimate, show
up and vote.
You will determine the outcome
of this election. Vote, vote,
vote. If you're able to vote early
in your state. Vote early.
If you're able to vote in person.
Vote in person.
Vote whatever way is the best way
for you because you will
he cannot stop you from
being able to determine the outcome
of this election.
And in terms of whether or not when
the votes are counted and they're
all counted, that will be accepted.
If I win, that will be accepted.
If I lose, they'll be accepted.
But by the way, if in fact, he
says he's not sure what he's going
to accept.
Well, let me tell you some.
It does matter because if we get
the votes, it's going to be all
over. He's going to go.
He can't stay in power.
It won't happen.
So vote.
Just make sure you understand
you have it in your control
to determine what this country is
going to look like the next four
years. Is it going to change or are
you gonna get four more years of
these lives?
Mr. President, two minutes.
So when I listen
to Joe talking about a transition,
there's been no transition from when
I won, I won that election.
And if you look at crooked Hillary
Clinton, if you look at all of the
different people.
There was no transition because they
came after me trying to do a coup.
They came after me spying on my
campaign.
They started from the day I won.
And even before I won, from the day
I came down the escalator with our
first lady, they were
a disaster.
They were a disgrace to our country.
And we've caught them.
We've caught them all.
We've got it all on tape.
We've caught them all. And by the
way, you gave the idea for the Logan
Act against General Flynn.
You better take a look at that,
because we caught you in a sense,
and President Obama was sitting
in the office. He knew about it,
too. So don't tell me about a free
transition.
As far as the ballots are concerned.
It's a disaster, a
solicited ballot.
OK. Solicited is okay.
You're soliciting your asking.
They send it back.
You send it back.
I did that.
If you have an unsolicited they're
sending millions of ballots all over
the country.
There's fraud.
They found them in creeks.
They found some with the name Trump
just happened to have the name
Trump, just the other day in a
wastepaper basket.
They're being sent all over the
place. They sent two in
a Democrat area.
They sent out a thousand ballots.
Everybody got two ballots.
This is going to be a fraud like
you've never seen.
The other thing, it's nice, on
November 3rd, you're watching and
you see who won the election.
And I think we're going to do well
because people are really happy with
the job we've done.
But you know what?
We won't know. We might not know for
months because these ballots are
going to be all over.
Take a look at what happened in
Manhattan. Take a look at what
happened in New Jersey.
Take a look at what happened in
Virginia and other places.
They're not losing two percent, one
percent, which, by the way, is too
much. An election could be won or
lost with that, they're losing 30
and 40 percent.
It's a fraud and it's a shame.
And can you imagine where they say
you have to have your ballot in by
November 10th, November
10th? That means that's seven
days after the election.
In theory, should have been
announced.
OK.
We have made major states like that,
all run by Democrats.
Two minutes, two minutes. President Trump, you're gonna be able
to continue.
You have been charging for months
that mail-in balloting is going to
be a disaster.
You say it's rigged.
I said it's going to lead to fraud.
But in 2018 and the last midterm
election, thirty one million
people voted mail in
voting.
That was a quarter.
More than a quarter of all the
voters that year cast their ballots
by mail.
Now that millions of mail in
ballots have gone out.
What are you going to do about it?
And are you counting on
the Supreme Court, including
a justice Barrett, to settle
on any dispute?
Yeah, I think I'm counting on them
to look at the ballots.
Definitely. I don't think we'll.
I hope we don't need them in
terms of the election itself, but
for the ballots. I think so, because
what's happening is incredible.
I just heard I read today where at
least one percent of the ballots for
2016 were
invalidated.
They they take them.
We don't like them. We don't like
them (OVERTALK). You
go and vote. You do a solicited
ballot. No, no, that's OK.
You know, who are you go and vote.
I'm asking you about the fact that
millions of people,.
You go and you go and
vote (OVERTALK) either
do Chris, a solicited
ballot where you're sending it in,
they're sending it back.
And you sending they have mailmen
with lots of it. Did you see what's
going on? Take a look at West
Virginia mailman selling the
ballots.
They're being sold.
They're being dumped in rivers.
This is a horrible thing for our
country (OVERTALK).
Mail-in ballots for the last
decade or more, five, including two
Republican states.
And you don't have to solicit the
ballot. It's sent to you.
It's sent to your home.
What we're saying is they're saying
is that it has to be a postmark.
By the time, by Election
Day, if it doesn't get in till
the seventh day nine, it's still
should be counted.
He's just afraid of counting the
votes.
You're wrong.
You're wrong. (OVERTALK) Chris,
he's so wrong when he makes his
statement like that.
Excuse me.
Vice President Biden the biggest
problem? In fact, over the years
with mail-in voting has not
been fraud. Historically,
it has been that sizable
number. Sometimes hundreds of
thousands of ballots are thrown out
because they have not been properly
filled out or there is some other
irregularity or they missed
the deadline. So the question I have
is, are you concerned
that the Supreme Court, with a
Justice Barret, will settle
any dispute?
I'm concerned that any court would
settle this, because here's the
deal.
When you when you file,
when you get a ballot and you fill
it out, you're supposed to have an
affidavit. If you didn't know you
have someone say that this
is me, you should be able to.
If in fact, you can verify that's
you before the ballot is thrown
out. That's sufficient to be able
to count the ballot because someone
made a mistake and not
dotting the correct I.
Who they voted for.
Testify, say who they voted
for.
Say it's you, that is totally
legitimate.
All right. (OVERTALK).
You know, it can't be done.
You know, it can't.
And already.
All right. And so now.
Election workers are prohibited
currently by law, eight states
from even beginning to process
ballots, even take them out of the
envelopes and yes, flatten them
until Election Day.
That means that it's likely because
there's going to be a huge increase
in mail, in balloting
that we are not going to know on
election night who the winner is,
that it could be days.
It could be weeks.
Could be months until we find out
who the the new president
is. So I first for you, sir.
Finally for the for the vice
president. I hope neither of you
will interrupt the other.
Will you urge your supporters
to stay calm during this
extended period not to
engage in any civil unrest?
And will you pledge tonight that
you will not declare victory
until the election has been
independently certified?
President Trump, you go first.
I'm urging my supporters to go
into the polls and watch very
carefully because that's what
has to happen. I am urging them to
do it. As you know, today, there was
a big problem in Philadelphia, they
went in to watch.
They were called poll watchers, a
very safe, very nice thing.
They were thrown out.
They weren't allowed to watch.
You know why?
Because bad things happen in
Philadelphia. Bad things.
And I am urging.
I am urging my people.
I hope it's going to be a fair
election if it's a fair election.
I am 100 percent on board.
But if I see tens of thousands
of ballots being manipulated,
I can't go along with that.
And I'll tell you why that from a
common sense does not mean I'll tell
you why they're being attacked.
It means you have a fraudulent
election.
You said 80 million ballots
that they're not equipped.
These people aren't equipped to
handle it. Number one.
Number two.
They cheat.
They cheat. Hey, they found
ballots in a wastepaper basket
three days ago and they all had
the name military ballots.
They were military.
They all had the name Trump on them.
Vice President. That's good.
Vice President Biden, final question
for you. Will you urge your
supporters to stay calm
while the vote is counted?
And will you pledge not to
declare victory until the election
is independently certified?
Yes. And here's the deal.
When you count the ballots, as you
pointed out, some of these ballots
in some states can't even be opened
until Election Day.
And if there's thousands of ballots
it's going to take time to do it.
And by the way, our military,
they've been voting by ballots,
for since the end of the civil war,
in effect, and that's that's what's
going to happen. Why was it not?
Why is it for them somehow
not fraudulent?
It's the same process.
It's honest.
No one has established at all
that there is fraud related
to mail in ballots,
that somehow it's a fraudulent
process.
It's already been established.
Take a look at
Carolyn Maloney's...
Go ahead.
They have no idea what happened.
Vice President Biden, go ahead.
He has no idea what he's talking
about. Here's the deal.
The fact is, I will accept it.
And he will too. You know why?
Because once the winner
is declared, after all the all the
ballots are counted, all the votes
are counted.
That will be the end of it.
And if it's me, in fact, fine
if it's not me, I'll support
the outcome and I'll be a president,
not just for the Democrats.
I'll be president for Democrats and
Republicans.
And this guy...
I wanna say...
Gentlemen, we say that's the end of
it. This is the end of this debate.
... honest ballot count and I think
he does too.
We're going to leave it there.
To be continued as,
in more debates as we go on.
President Trump, Vice President
Biden, it's been an interesting hour
and a half. I want to thank you both
for participating in the first
of three debates that you have
agreed to engage in.
And we want to thank Case Western
Reserve University and
the Cleveland Clinic for hosting
this event.
The next debate, sponsored by the
Commission on Presidential Debates,
will be one week from tomorrow,
October 7th, at the University of
Utah in Salt Lake City.
The two vice presidential nominees,
Vice President Mike Pence and
Senator Kamala Harris.
We'll debate at 9:00 p.m.
Eastern that night.
We hope you watch.
Until then, thank you
and good night.
He's the greatest president of all
time. We love you Trump.